When will Everton grow a pair?

Setting aside all the other issues currently facing Everton – the future of the manager, the up and mostly down form of the players, the less than inspiring commercial performance, and anything related to the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium project – the point of this rant is to question when will someone, anyone from the club say what needs to be said?

I’m referring very specifically to the VAR decision at Brighton on Saturday that contributed to yet another embarrassing loss away from home to a club, no disrespect intended, we should be capable of overcoming.

Let’s recall… a hopeful long, high ball into the Everton area saw Connolly and Michael Keane both clearly looking at the ball, Keane accidentally and unwittingly treading on the Brighton players foot, the ball went out of play and the referee signalled a goal kick.

Oh hang on, with Connolly writhing around holding his shin (?), Lee Mason the VAR referee decides the contact by Keane is worthy of review… and surprise, surprise he awards a penalty while the on-field referee Andy Madley deems it unnecessary to review the incident himself on the pitch side monitor.

Brighton score, Everton don’t react in any way positively enough to having been pegged back and we subsequently lose to the unfortunate OG from Lucas Digne.

Marco Silva bemoaned the penalty decision by referring to the earlier arms around and blatant shirt pull on Richarlison, and wondering fairly calmly why that wasn’t deemed fit for review.

The vast majority of tv pundits, analysts and former players, including Brightons’ own Glenn Murray felt the awarding of the penalty to be wrong.

So my question and indeed demand is, when will someone from the club, be it the manager, the Director of Football, the CEO or our erstwhile happy to appear before cameras after a win Chairman actually get off the fence and state publicly the clubs absolute and utter disgust and fury at that decision, and in so doing highlight the shockingly poor way VAR is being deployed?

If someone actually launched a vitriolic attack on the decision and VAR, what’s the worst that could happen?

A touchline ban for the manager and/or a fine for any other club official speaking their mind and fighting our corner?

A fine would be a drop in the ocean for the club to settle, but the attack on the decision and poorly employed VAR might just send a message to the authorities that Everton are sick to death of being the butt of poor decisions.

Anybody else remember the fine and suspension for Oumar Niasse getting fouled at Crystal Palace?

Perhaps the biggest positive a vitriolic attack might have would be to send a message to our own players and supporters that that club is finally prepared and willing to stand up and fight for our cause.

For far, far too long, Everton have been the ‘nice’ club, doing things ‘the Everton way,’ rarely protesting and speaking up for ourselves.

Well enough is enough of that approach as it’s achieved bugger all in terms of on field success… we haven’t lifted a trophy since 1995 and there’s little sign of another coming our way in the foreseeable future.

It’s time Everton grew a collective pair and started to think of number one, time to stop being the soft touch, time everyone in the club fought every inch of the way, every minute of every game, every contentious decision that goes against us, time we threw off this mantle of mediocrity that has infested the club and ails us to this day.

To fail to address this now and in the strongest possible terms irrespective of any fine that comes our way, would be to my mind, an absolute abdication of responsibility from those at the top of the club who supposedly have our, the fans and the clubs, best interests at heart.

For heavens sake Everton, thousands and thousands of passionately loyal Blues are sick to death of us being taken for and viewed as second rate.

What has happened to the belief in NSNO?

You win by defending yourselves and attacking aggressively – we haven’t seen very much of that from our hierarchy in donkeys’ years… it’s time the worms turned and brought about Evertons’ return to a position of confidence, influence, pre-eminence and made us proud to be Blues again.

COYB!

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  1. [QUOTE=”Arteta10, post: 7374519, member: 9423″]
    Keane didnt swing his leg tho. He wasnt even making a tackle FFS.

    Those kind of comings together happen hundreds of times in a match
    [/QUOTE]
    To be honest, I don’t really know what to make of it. It was a weird incident, but I don’t feel as incredulous about it as others.

  2. Droning on about how hard done by we are is small time. People just laugh at you, especially when your team is crap. Start winning football matches is the answer, not moaning about the ref or VAR.

  3. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7375085, member: 8777″]
    Think the thread title is a bit sexist tbh.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yeh exactly. Hate that saying ‘grow a set of breasts’.

  4. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7374733, member: 52747″]
    Imagine the fume on here when we do that and get a points deduction.
    [/QUOTE]
    We should of taken them years ago, I would be happy to take a 10 points deduction this season, it’s clearly biased towards the big sponsor clubs.

  5. Football has become basketball once the ball is in the box. Its supposed to be a contact sport.

    A hideous monster of a game.

  6. [QUOTE=”brigadier, post: 7374545, member: 6981″]
    [B]not got a problem with that decision , it’s when the same thing happens to us it gets ignored, we stink of losers , bullies bully losers and we allow ourselves to be bullied, we should of walked off the pitch and demanded the rules to be explained for fouling inside the penalty area, you cant give one and ignore another.
    doesn’t help we have had weak managers for 25 years.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]

    Imagine the fume on here when we do that and get a points deduction.

  7. Lets not forget niasse getting a ban for diving. The big crackdown on diving(he never even dived)
    How many were banned after that..
    Oh yeah. None.
    All hell would have broke loose if it had been certain other clubs.
    Soft is right.

  8. [QUOTE=”rochdaleblue, post: 7374663, member: 1947″]
    Can you imagine Klopp, mourinho or Pep meekly accepting that decision? There would be outrage. It would be all over the press, other teams getting preferential treatment against their teams. As for us….we barely make a fuss and fold like a pack of cards soon after. In truth we haven’t had any strong leadership in the side since the Southall, watson, Parkinson era. Sick of the mentality right through the club. Even nothing has changed under the new ownership.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yeah it is biased but that’s the media. They are the sky darlings them and the clubs they manage. We pick up a fuss we will just get fined, it needs the league to come together and question decisions made by refs every week which most times favours the top six. It’s not bitterness we all see and only times the big clubs really get a decision against them is when they are playing another top six club hahaha. There will we times we see decisions go against them but that’s when the ref has no choice. I would like to see that penalty decision go against the likes of rs, city, untied and etc.

  9. Can you imagine Klopp, mourinho or Pep meekly accepting that decision? There would be outrage. It would be all over the press, other teams getting preferential treatment against their teams. As for us….we barely make a fuss and fold like a pack of cards soon after. In truth we haven’t had any strong leadership in the side since the Southall, watson, Parkinson era. Sick of the mentality right through the club. Even nothing has changed under the new ownership.

  10. [QUOTE=”leslad, post: 7373807, member: 37319″]
    i think whilst Keane is good on the ball he is a poor defender – as soon as it looks like a ball is going over his head i become worried we’ll concede. If he has to turn to face his own goal he invariably doesn’t win it back.

    that said, it’s clearly never a penalty regardless of any rule changes and i agree that the club needs to say something
    [/QUOTE]

    TBH When it went to VAR i had no doubt they would give it, and IF that is the case give me the rationale why Richarlison didn’t get one. The problem for me is the lack of consistency….. EFC should present like for like cases to Mavis Riley and call it what it is…feckin corruption and hidden agenda…. WE NEED TO START showing leadership from the top or we carry on taking the shit…. Niasse dive, Keane pen and the rest

  11. [B]not got a problem with that decision , it’s when the same thing happens to us it gets ignored, we stink of losers , bullies bully losers and we allow ourselves to be bullied, we should of walked off the pitch and demanded the rules to be explained for fouling inside the penalty area, you cant give one and ignore another.
    doesn’t help we have had weak managers for 25 years.[/B]

  12. I honestly think that if we keep Digne and Mina as pivital points of the team, they will change the attitude around the squad. Bulldog like tenacity which needs to mold the other players coming up.

  13. [QUOTE=”Carlito, post: 7374424, member: 12187″]
    I don’t think that the part in bold counts for anything. [B]Aurier was looking at the ball when he swung his leg on Sunday,[/B] but there was still no doubt about it being a penalty.

    They’ve opened themselves up to a whole new wave of diving opportunities with the Keane/Connolly incident, though.
    [/QUOTE]

    Keane didnt swing his leg tho. He wasnt even making a tackle FFS.

    Those kind of comings together happen hundreds of times in a match

  14. [QUOTE=”AndyC, post: 7373774, member: 26535″]
    [URL=’http://www.grandoldteam.com/2019/10/29/when-will-everton-grow-a-pair/’]Continue reading…[/URL]
    [/QUOTE]
    To be fair. Keane did stand on his foot…

  15. [QUOTE=”DanEFC92, post: 7374460, member: 13652″]
    Diving rat that Connolly.
    [/QUOTE]
    Why, for acting as though he stepped on a land mine?

    No lie, I honestly thought they were going to VAR to see if it was simulation or not.

  16. [QUOTE=”blue4eva77, post: 7373983, member: 12842″]
    [B]He’s looking at the ball ffs[/B]

    Had he been looking where he was going to plant his next step, you’d probably be in his thread raging that he ain’t watching the ball.

    It’s one of the worst penalty decisions this season so far across all leagues.
    [/QUOTE]
    I don’t think that the part in bold counts for anything. Aurier was looking at the ball when he swung his leg on Sunday, but there was still no doubt about it being a penalty.

    They’ve opened themselves up to a whole new wave of diving opportunities with the Keane/Connolly incident, though.

  17. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7373837, member: 52747″]
    [B]That Trossard absolutely skinned him a couple of minutes after would be higher on my list than that challenge.[/B]

    It was a terrible decision and we just switched off afterwards. In a way you can understand it, but they’re supposed to be professional athletes.

    Again, however, I’m not sure what good moaning about in the media afterwards would achieve.
    [/QUOTE]
    Missed this earlier but this is spot on. It happens far too often for what is our first choice and an England international.

  18. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7374254, member: 52747″]
    Everton players only players with haircuts shocker.
    [/QUOTE]
    Glad I waited to hit the reply button to that one.

  19. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373951, member: 10962″]
    Well goddamit he’s got two eyes hasn’t he?!?!
    [/QUOTE]
    And 2 feet! It’s a wash!

  20. Reminds me of the Andy Johnson stuff. Went yo see the head of the refs association, they agree we have been hard done by. We still dont get the decisions.

  21. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7374254, member: 52747″]
    Everton players only players with haircuts shocker. Agree to cut barber visits to 5 a week in order to facilitate training.
    [/QUOTE]

    You forgot the last bit………there ya go!

  22. [QUOTE=”Agent Blue, post: 7374234, member: 43307″]
    I think that if the players spent as much time on their day job as they do on their barnet’s and beards we would be world beaters.
    [/QUOTE]

    Everton players only players with haircuts shocker.

  23. [QUOTE=”AndyC, post: 7374131, member: 26535″]
    Fellas, get over the actual incident itself…

    My rant and the whole crux of the article is about the club passively accepting just about every decision that EVER goes against us, instead of speaking out and demanding better.
    It’s time the hierarchy actually got off the pot and pissed instead of [Poor language removed]-footing around looking for ‘good news’ stories to pacify the fan base.
    [/QUOTE]

    How does a big fine/touchline ban make matters better?

    Silva said he was worried about consistency and brought up the Richarlison one down the other end in his interview after the match.

  24. I think that if the players spent as much time on their day job as they do on their barnet’s and beards we would be world beaters.

  25. [QUOTE=”AndyC, post: 7374131, member: 26535″]
    Fellas, get over the actual incident itself…

    My rant and the whole crux of the article is about the club passively accepting just about every decision that EVER goes against us, instead of speaking out and demanding better.
    It’s time the hierarchy actually got off the pot and pissed instead of [Poor language removed]-footing around looking for ‘good news’ stories to pacify the fan base.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yeah we all know what you meant with your post, but how do we know the club isn’t or hasn’t done anything before ? I mean just because the complaints isn’t to the public, in front of the camera’s doesn’t mean we’ve not done so behind the scene past or present.

    I do however believe we as a club are a bit powder puff and too damn nice regarding on the field stuff.

  26. Fellas, get over the actual incident itself…

    My rant and the whole crux of the article is about the club passively accepting just about every decision that EVER goes against us, instead of speaking out and demanding better.
    It’s time the hierarchy actually got off the pot and pissed instead of pussy-footing around looking for ‘good news’ stories to pacify the fan base.

  27. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373958, member: 17714″]
    He was caught out pure and simple, how do you know that what he did was actually what he was trying to do and get away with it. I have said in other post if this had been the other way round we would have been screaming PEN so face up to it.
    [/QUOTE]

    I think I would have been absolutely mystified were it given at the other end too. Like most of Brighton’s fans.

  28. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373981, member: 17714″]
    I agree, as well as growing a pair of balls how about a big cock as well.
    [/QUOTE]
    :Blink:

  29. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373944, member: 17714″]
    By standing on his foot???
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s looking at the ball ffs

    Had he been looking where he was going to plant his next step, you’d probably be in his thread raging that he ain’t watching the ball.

    It’s one of the worst penalty decisions this season so far across all leagues.

  30. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373978, member: 10962″]
    I have no idea, it was pure speculation.

    I don’t think he was trying to stand on the back of the guys foot, and if he did that deliberately then he’s a talented guy as he was looking at the ball the entire time.

    I also wouldn’t have been screaming ‘pen’ at the other end, I would’ve put it down to an accident (which never seemed reckless at all).

    Back on topic – [B]Everton are far too mild.[/B]
    [/QUOTE]

    I agree, as well as growing a pair of balls how about a big cock as well.

  31. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373958, member: 17714″]
    He was caught out pure and simple, [B]how do you know that what he did was actually what he was trying to do and get away with it.[/B] I have said in other post if this had been the other way round we would have been screaming PEN so face up to it.
    [/QUOTE]
    I have no idea, it was pure speculation.

    I don’t think he was trying to stand on the back of the guys foot, and if he did that deliberately then he’s a talented guy as he was looking at the ball the entire time.

    I also wouldn’t have been screaming ‘pen’ at the other end, I would’ve put it down to an accident (which never seemed reckless at all).

    Back on topic – Everton are far too mild.

  32. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373948, member: 10962″]
    He asked what he was trying to do, not what he did.
    [/QUOTE]

    He was caught out pure and simple, how do you know that what he did was actually what he was trying to do and get away with it. I have said in other post if this had been the other way round we would have been screaming PEN so face up to it.

  33. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7373947, member: 52747″]
    He’s watching the ball, how’s he supposed to watch his foot at the same time?
    [/QUOTE]
    Well goddamit he’s got two eyes hasn’t he?!?!

  34. [QUOTE=”Disgruntledgoat, post: 7373947, member: 52747″]
    He’s watching the ball, how’s he supposed to watch his foot at the same time?
    [/QUOTE]

    Oh I thought he called himself a footballer?

  35. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373944, member: 17714″]
    By standing on his foot???
    [/QUOTE]
    He asked what he was trying to do, not what he did.

  36. [QUOTE=”Toffeelover, post: 7373944, member: 17714″]
    By standing on his foot???
    [/QUOTE]

    He’s watching the ball, how’s he supposed to watch his foot at the same time?

  37. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373809, member: 10962″]
    Shepherd Connolly away from goal I think.
    [/QUOTE]

    By standing on his foot???

  38. I don’t think Keane did anything wrong last Saturday, it clearly was not a penalty, or if it was then there should be about fifteen in every game.

  39. Good article.

    I don’t see much (probably any) fight or leadership within the club at any level.

  40. For far too long ‘the Everton way’ has been trotted out to explain why we play nice and come last….
    I’m sick of saying oh well that’s how the game should be played…..
    We need to drop the niceties…..
    Get in the refs face, complain in the media, be snide on and off the pitch….
    End of the day top sides, since Ferguson with it’s and before, have took fines on the chin to get their point across.
    It works, look at the effect wengers comments on Andy Johnson had…
    If we want to be winners again we need to get our hands dirty

  41. [QUOTE=”mahermi1, post: 7373880, member: 2342″]
    Shepherd is definitely the correct term when referring to Michael Keane, he is about as aggressive as a sheep !
    Though I feel the sheep could possible turn sharper and would definitely outpace him. Thanks again Koeman & Walsh.
    [/QUOTE]
    Keane is a donkey and will stay a donkey, even after a “run” of 2 or 3 games without a major disaster!

  42. [QUOTE=”mahermi1, post: 7373880, member: 2342″]
    Shepherd is definitely the correct term when referring to Michael Keane, he is about as aggressive as a sheep !
    Though I feel the sheep could possible turn sharper and would definitely outpace him. Thanks again Koeman & Walsh.
    [/QUOTE]
    I think the whole set up at Everton is meek. The should’ve been outraged at the weekend, but their reaction was to fold.

    Desperate for leadership on and off the field.

  43. [QUOTE=”AndyC, post: 7373774, member: 26535″]
    [URL=’http://www.grandoldteam.com/2019/10/29/when-will-everton-grow-a-pair/’]Continue reading…[/URL]
    [/QUOTE]
    There’s a positive in that var can be manipulated by any team.
    Defenders can no longer get away with fouls big or small. Any strikeforce with pace can take on defenders knowing defenders have to make a clean tackle or give away free kicks or penalties.

  44. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373809, member: 10962″]
    Shepherd Connolly away from goal I think.
    [/QUOTE]

    Shepherd is definitely the correct term when referring to Michael Keane, he is about as aggressive as a sheep !
    Though I feel the sheep could possible turn sharper and would definitely outpace him. Thanks again Koeman & Walsh.

  45. Poor decision and I agree we are too nice, throughout the team and right the way through.
    Can’t for a second see Man United, Liverpool etc being this placid about it, I’m sure it’s, oh it’s only Everton they don’t complain anyway, blah, blah.

  46. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373823, member: 10962″]
    Standard central defending that. It was a terrible decision.

    The greater worry for me is that a long ball seems to catch Keane out on far too many occasions.
    [/QUOTE]

    That Trossard absolutely skinned him a couple of minutes after would be higher on my list than that challenge.

    It was a terrible decision and we just switched off afterwards. In a way you can understand it, but they’re supposed to be professional athletes.

    Again, however, I’m not sure what good moaning about in the media afterwards would achieve.

  47. I don’t think making a fuss after the event would make any difference.

    It was a big blow to concede the penalty in that manner, but we didn’t react at all and completely surrendered the momentum to Brighton.

    Anyone could see what was coming afterwards.

    Other teams find ways to win games, we find ways to lose.

    The anger and frustration should be directed inwards at the club, and at our performances and results.

    It would be more useful for the club to offer free tickets and transport to an away game, as an acknowledgement that our record away is an embarrassment, and that something needs to be done about it.

  48. [QUOTE=”Zatara, post: 7373814, member: 9780″]
    Charges at the player…hands on his back…looks clumsy…then arms everywhere.

    Just gives the ref a decision…or var.
    [/QUOTE]
    Standard central defending that. It was a terrible decision.

    The greater worry for me is that a long ball seems to catch Keane out on far too many occasions.

  49. Marco referred to the lack of time permitted to use VAR to see why a perfectly good third goal against West Ham was disallowed. We should have kicked up merry hell with the officials. Why did the players not protest. Just imagine if it had been been City or our dear neighbours. Have we adopted a cowed small club mentality?

    1. Poor decision and I agree we are too nice, throughout the team and right the way through.
      Can’t for a second see Man United, Liverpool etc being this placid about it, I’m sure it’s, oh it’s only Everton they don’t complain anyway, blah, blah.

  50. a couple of things are certain in life

    tax, death and Michael keane getting had off by a long ball over the top

  51. [QUOTE=”JEBUS_LIVES, post: 7373809, member: 10962″]
    Shepherd Connolly away from goal I think.
    [/QUOTE]

    Charges at the player…hands on his back…looks clumsy…then arms everywhere.

    Just gives the ref a decision…or var.

  52. [QUOTE=”Zatara, post: 7373790, member: 9780″]
    What was Keane actually trying to do?
    [/QUOTE]
    Shepherd Connolly away from goal I think.

  53. i think whilst Keane is good on the ball he is a poor defender – as soon as it looks like a ball is going over his head i become worried we’ll concede. If he has to turn to face his own goal he invariably doesn’t win it back.

    that said, it’s clearly never a penalty regardless of any rule changes and i agree that the club needs to say something

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