The return of David Moyes

[matty1878]

That's just about everyone though Matty.

i know

 

[jinkyali]

What is this nonsense about stability.

Why would Moyes or a manager of his ilk give more stability than literally any other manger.

The club needs progressive future thinking, not short-term Premier League necessity fire fighting. That's what got us in this doom cycle to begin with.

Any manager is going to have to deal with the summer situation, if Moyes stayed until after the summer and we inevitably bin him off after next season any new manager is going to end up with a ton of players they probably wouldn't want.

Villa didn't go back to Smith or Lambert after Gerrard, when they were struggling a bit.

It's a complete myth.

Struggling a bit? We have 12 players from July.
We've been struggling for years.

 

[Thomasc]

The side he put together with Yakubu, Cahill, Arteta, Peinaar, Osman, Jags, Lescott and Baines and Coleman was probably the best we’ve had since Kendall mk1.

Was a long time ago now though and there’s no guarantee he can do it again.

I’ll get behind him but it’s a bit deflating after the relief of getting rid of Dyche.

 

[Efcjake]

You know you would snatch an 8th place right now.

I would but this squad isn't doing that under today's David Moyes.

Anyone kidding themselves into that is an idiot

 

[Bwana]

When Moyes first signed on March 14, 2002, the UK Singles Chart was topped by "Anything Is Possible/Evergreen" by Will Young.
In the United States, the number one song on the same date was "Ain't It Funny" by Jennifer Lopez featuring Ja Rule.

In retrospect that's a combo and a half

 

[Daytripper]

We won a game 5:1 under Dyche as well.

That was probably his best game in charge, some excellent counter attacking play

 

[JimmyJeffers]

wait. Am I in a social experiment?

 

[Groucho]

Some of the football under Moyes was brilliant.

Baines Pienaar Osman Arteta all in tandem Lescott bringing out the back, Cahill linking with Yakubu

When it was good it was very good

This is overlooked and in my opinion you’re spot on.

The two seasons before he left, we played some really good stuff.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Took him a while to get that team together. Do you think we have any of those kind of calibre players now?
N’Daiye maybe and Branthwaite. No one else comes close with this lot.

Anyone expecting anything other than a continuation of more pragmatic football under Moyes is in for a shock. Well, a disinterested yawn maybe.

I'm guessing you didn't watch ndiaye yesterday if you think that. It's clear 3 or 4 new players are needed. But also some better tactical direction offensively could do wonders.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

That’s down to player quality, which is the point I’ve been making for ages.

It will be pragmatic at first for sure but Moyes has shown that he can improve a teams style over times better players.

So he should be offered a long term deal then?

 

[DualityNSNO]

The football was so boring under Moyes.

Wanted to show exciting football under Moyes and didn't pick the DVD game?!?!?

 

[BloodOnTheTrax]

I would but this squad isn't doing that under today's David Moyes.

Anyone kidding themselves into that is an idiot

Agreed but he did sign those attractive attacking players back in his day.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Any of them playing for us over the next six months?

People forget what the footy was like before Baines showed up.

Could make this argument about any manager though. They’ve all got to deal with the players we have here.

Moyes also got results from teams with Hibbert Weir Stubbs Pistone Carsley Kilbane and Marcus Bent in

It’s not a time for aesthetics now, it’s just a time for results, but Moyes can play good football if given some time

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yeah exactly, it wasn’t a trend that went on for whole seasons. Those one off shockers we had under Moyes, they were literally the norm under Dyche.

As I’ve said many times, you simply cannot compare the two as managers. They operate at entirely different levels.

By the by, Moyes' overall win% is slightly elevated cuz of the United tenure.

I agree though, incomparable.

 

[Bluewolf]

Yeah I remember when he made WHam a constant in Europe, especially the first time when they fired him for losing more than winning.

He did stabilise us for sure, perfectly so, but he will not kick on. "Best of the rest", "knife to a gunfight", et al., might fluke you to a final for a cup (as with us in the FA or for the Conference with them).

Also EVERYONE kept calling the trophy they won pointless, mickey mouse, said they won't celebrate it because it's stupid and that they won against some nomarks (which is true, the way to the final was paved by beating the 5th best Belgian team and a midtable club from Cyprus), and now it's a massive achievement? Are we also ignoring they finished 4 points ahead of us in that season as they were direct competition with us for the relegation spots?

Right so you literally dont have a clue what your talking about. Moyes wasnt fired the first time at west ham his contract expired and the went and got Pellegrini who was garbage so they brought moyes back in because they were 17th 1pt above the relegation zone (sound familiar?).

He did more then stabilise us on a budget of £3m he had us constantly challenging for Europe. He went 2 seasons without signing a player and still had us in Europe and in the semi final of a cup.

Everyone calls thise type of trophies pointless till their in them challenging for it. We used to give Liverpool abuse for taking the league cup so seriously.

They were never in contention for relegation though. Moyes put everything into winning the cup so the league form suffers.

Mourinho did it at United with the Europa league cup to get CL football and everyone called him a genius for it and they finished miles outside of the top 4 because of it.

You can criticize if it didn't come off but it did so thats good management.