6 + 2 Point Deductions

[ForeverEverton]

Does it explain why? Like, what’s gone on in the weeks in between those two tweets? Clearly something has gone disastrously wrong somewhere if he’s just walked away.

"Laurence Rabinowitz, who oversaw Everton’s successful appeal against their 10 point deduction will not be involved in Everton’s Second PSR breach hearing taking place this week. He was involved more informally in some of the early preparatory stages."

 

[MikeH72]

Personally felt that the PL would have gone easier on us with this case, alongside the pretty tame forest deduction, just to avoid the awkward appeal process after season has ended scenario.
I just wonder, now that forest have appealed and set that up that scenario, if the PL hit us with something stronger than they may have done a few days ago.?

What? Why would Forest appealing mean that at all?

 

[Neiler]

"Laurence Rabinowitz, who oversaw Everton’s successful appeal against their 10 point deduction will not be involved in Everton’s Second PSR breach hearing taking place this week. He was involved more informally in some of the early preparatory stages."

"We needed a striker".

 

[MikeH72]

Have the 2 points for cooperation been added back on yet?

 

[gedefc]

"Laurence Rabinowitz, who oversaw Everton’s successful appeal against their 10 point deduction will not be involved in Everton’s Second PSR breach hearing taking place this week. He was involved more informally in some of the early preparatory stages."

I dont think there will be another deduction this season

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

"Laurence Rabinowitz, who oversaw Everton’s successful appeal against their 10 point deduction will not be involved in Everton’s Second PSR breach hearing taking place this week. He was involved more informally in some of the early preparatory stages."

the cheque didn't clear

 

[Moomin]

Does it explain why? Like, what’s gone on in the weeks in between those two tweets? Clearly something has gone disastrously wrong somewhere if he’s just walked away.

He is doing the ultimate heel turn and now representing Forest instead of us.

 

[HKContractDave]

the cheque didn't clear

Everton that

 

[MikeH72]

"Laurence Rabinowitz, who oversaw Everton’s successful appeal against their 10 point deduction will not be involved in Everton’s Second PSR breach hearing taking place this week. He was involved more informally in some of the early preparatory stages."

Haha what, sorry I missed this part as well, when was the successful appeal?

 

[ForeverEverton]

Obviously we will not know the breach until the findings of the IC are released... IMO the referral could also be the following :-

PSR calcs for 2023 had to be submitted BEFORE our 2022 PSR appeal had been completed, I heard a mention that Everton asterisked the 2023 calcs as subject to change pending 2022 appeal outcome.

Obviously the PL made our 2022 PSR calc at £19.5m higher than we submitted, so if their is a breach, any breach below £19.5m should not be punishable, why you say?

1 - After the 2022 appeal Everton had no way they could correct the accounts in 2023, because they had already been submitted before the 2022 appeal had finished.
2 - We were punished for a £19.5m breach, so if the breach is less that we must have been compliant in 2023, i.e. PSR loss for 2023 is less than the permissable £35m, but as an overall there would still be a breach in terms of PSR.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Haha what, sorry I missed this part as well, when was the successful appeal?

Me too.... I don`t think it was successful.

Should have gone through the regs with a wrecking ball.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Does it explain why? Like, what’s gone on in the weeks in between those two tweets? Clearly something has gone disastrously wrong somewhere if he’s just walked away.

A schedule conflict is the reason give, he apparently was working on the preparations for the 2nd hearing but isnt available to represent rhe club this week.

 

[sd_1992]

Their owner is not lying down and taking it.

If only we had the same leadership, instead we say please and thank you while they wipe their feet on us.

The generally passiveness of the club is what has made us an easy target for years now.

Perhaps we might learn something.

 

[Vintage]

Surely having different independent commission panels for every hearing is a major flaw in all of this.
Each panel is going to view and interpret certain rules, behaviours and mitigations in different ways coming up with varying decisions and penalties. Can even see that with the reports so far that one panel doesn't know how the other came up with certain decisions. Especially when it seems there is no clear format of how penalties are given nor written in stone.

To have one commission panel overseeing every hearing within a season would mean both parties are singing off the same hymn sheet. In theory it should mean that the decision of the panel's punishment for one club regarding losses etc will be proportional to the next club's hearing decision and on and on for that season. Rather than different panels coming up with totally different punishments.
Then have a different panel for the appeal hearings but keep the panel the same for each appeal hearing throughout one full season

 

[WestStandLower]

Surely having different independent commission panels for every hearing is a major flaw in all of this.
Each panel is going to view and interpret certain rules, behaviours and mitigations in different ways coming up with varying decisions and penalties. Can even see that with the reports so far that one panel doesn't know how the other came up with certain decisions. Especially when it seems there is no clear format of how penalties are given nor written in stone.

To have one commission panel overseeing every hearing within a season would mean both parties are singing off the same hymn sheet. In theory it should mean that the decision of the panel's punishment for one club regarding losses etc will be proportional to the next club's hearing decision and on and on for that season. Rather than different panels coming up with totally different punishments.
Then have a different panel for the appeal hearings but keep the panel the same for each appeal hearing throughout one full season

That’s a very good point

Interesting it’s why some argue CAS isn’t all that in terms of consistency