Can Everton still be considered a “big club”?

Are Everton still a big club?

  • Yes

    Votes: 154 58.8%

  • No

    Votes: 71 27.1%

  • About the same lad

    Votes: 37 14.1%
  • Total voters
    262

When I was a kid a long long time ago my Dad always referred to us as the mersey millionaire's and liverpool as the second team and he was right up to 1970 we where the number one team on merseyside and number 2 to utd in the country.
 
Number_25 said:
Since Everton's last trophy win, the following clubs have won a domestic or European title:
  1. Manchester United
  2. Arsenal
  3. Chelsea
  4. Liverpool
  5. Manchester City
  6. Leicester City
  7. Blackburn Rovers.
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These above plus Portsmouth and Wigan have won the better trophies.

This lot below have won the Mickey Mouse ones. League Cup or Conference League.
Number_25 said:
  1. Tottenham Hotspur
  2. Aston Villa
  3. Swansea
  4. Birmingham City
  5. Middlesbrough
  6. West Ham United
  7. Newcastle United
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Still trophies and I'm not defending our last 30 year spell but worth differentiating. I reckon we'd have won at least one Conference League under Moyes had the competition existed then.

I'd love to see us actually committing to trying to win a trophy though, even if it meant a mediocre league season. Forest, Newcastle and Villa have all shown this season you can attempt both a strong league and cup season though.
 
Number_25 said:
Since Everton's last trophy win, the following clubs have won a domestic or European title:
  1. Manchester United
  2. Arsenal
  3. Chelsea
  4. Liverpool
  5. Manchester City
  6. Leicester City
  7. Blackburn Rovers
  8. Tottenham Hotspur
  9. Aston Villa
  10. Wigan Athletic
  11. Portsmouth
  12. Swansea
  13. Birmingham City
  14. Middlesbrough
  15. West Ham United
  16. Newcastle United
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And 10 of them relegated.
3 of them to the 3rd division
You could mention Fulham have reached a European final.
Arguably 6 have become worse run than ourselves although Birmingham might have just got stability (next season ,will ba a good measure).
 

salmon fingers said:
When I was a kid a long long time ago my Dad always referred to us as the mersey millionaire's and liverpool as the second team and he was right up to 1970 we where the number one team on merseyside and number 2 to utd in the country.
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Funny how nowadays we never take advantage of when other big teams slip up and we have a chance of getting back to the top level. This years FA cup was a great chance for us to break our 3 year wait for a trophy, but in true Everton style we put in a very flat performance v Bournemouth and get knocked out.
 
I hate the term 'big club'... especially when it descends into 'pundits' saying how player xyz should move to a big/bigger club etc. It becomes disrespectful imo, and ultimately, the biggest club in the world is always going to be the one you support.

if you replace the word 'big' with 'successful' at least you can have a more meaningful discussion.
 
salmon fingers said:
When I was a kid a long long time ago my Dad always referred to us as the mersey millionaire's and liverpool as the second team and he was right up to 1970 we where the number one team on merseyside and number 2 to utd in the country.
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This is the issue. In any 2+ team city (except Glasgow), your stature is nearly always tied into the relative success of you and your neighbour(s). Upto 1970 we were comfortably the bigger club in the city. I think that our average gate for the whole of the 60s was literally only a few hundred less than the "Busby-Babe" descended and European cup winning Man Utd of Charlton, Best and Law for the same decade. Our Average position in the all-time Average attendance league table was higher than everyone. Our descent after 1970 was only matched by LFC's rise. Increasingly, the mid-80s success feels more and more like an anomaly. Like a final victory of a fading heavy-weight, while he at least still possessed some of the hallmarks of his former greatness. 30+ years of managed decline and basic mismanagement has almost fully hollowed out the carcass. For a long time now, all that we've had is a good sized, but aging fanbase, living in an ancient, but massively iconic/historic stadium, that can famously become an absolute bearpit when occasions demand. We're about to undergo a substantial rebrand at the new place.... let's hope it's a major resuscitation too. What the last 20+ years has taught me is that even relative minnows can grow into substantial clubs..... maybe sleeping decrepit giants can reclaim former glories too.
 

chicoazul said:
How many seasons at Goodison have Everton won a trophy? Let’s stack up that data and have a realistic talk about how big clubs do.
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Not all trophies are the same though. So if you're going to base it purely on trophy count you would have to be able to weight them accordingly. Winning the Zenith data systems Cup isnt the same as winning the League cup, which isn't the same as winning the FA cup, which isnt the same as winning the league. Same as European competition, which is a relatively closed-shop, that wasn't even available during several successful eras in our History.

Similarly, some clubs have tiny honours lists but bigger attendances than those who have won lots. In otherwords, the ultimate measure of size is fanbase... and even that can be separated into local, national and international values.
 
Tom Hughes said:
Not all trophies are the same though. So if you're going to base it purely on trophy count you would have to be able to weight them accordingly. Winning the Zenith data systems Cup isnt the same as winning the League cup, which isn't the same as winning the FA cup, which isnt the same as winning the league. Same as European competition, which is a relatively closed-shop, that wasn't even available during several successful eras in our History.

Similarly, some clubs have tiny honours lists but bigger attendances than those who have won lots. In otherwords, the ultimate measure of size is fanbase... and even that can be separated into local, national and international values.
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Oh ok I just wanted a metric of how many successful trophy winning seasons at Goodison pal. That’s what we play for, to win trophies right?
 
chicoazul said:
Oh ok I just wanted a metric of how many successful trophy winning seasons at Goodison pal. That’s what we play for, to win trophies right?
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Ofcourse, but as I said, that alone doesn't necessarily indicate the size of our club. You could also say that we play to stay in the top league because that's where the money is....ie would we bigger now if we'd won say a couple of league cups in the past 30yrs, but had spent half that time in the lower leagues?

I think we've won a total of 24 trophies in over 122 seasons, which is an average of just over 5yrs per trophy.
 
Tom Hughes said:
Ofcourse, but as I said, that alone doesn't necessarily indicate the size of our club. You could also say that we play to stay in the top league because that's where the money is....ie would we bigger now if we'd won say a couple of league cups in the past 30yrs, but had spent half that time in the lower leagues?

I think we've won a total of 24 trophies in over 122 seasons, which is an average of just over 5yrs per trophy.
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Thanks for that, appreciated.

So how many of those 122 seasons were ones in which we won a trophy I wonder? I don’t think we should include Charity Shields in those trophies either as they’re not a major honour, but that’s just my opinion pal.
 

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