There should be a January recall option in case of injuries
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Zatara
Player Valuation: £90m
Hadnt realised he was on loan at Standard Liege, thought it was a smaller team.
Seems to have had 4 games there, 2 starting and 2 as sub.
They were a really good team a few years ago but now sit in 12th and 7pts off the top.
Strange place to send him on loan...
Looked highly promising when he played for us and disappointing hes not able to step in for Digne now.
Seems to have had 4 games there, 2 starting and 2 as sub.
They were a really good team a few years ago but now sit in 12th and 7pts off the top.
Strange place to send him on loan...
Looked highly promising when he played for us and disappointing hes not able to step in for Digne now.
When loaning players, you need to weigh up the level of the League to how much game time they will get. And what teams actually want him. 4 games, with 2 starts and 2 subs is decent. Will be good to see how many mins he plays over the season.
I think he is in Tinder
Realistically, if we’ve sent him on loan to Standard when we have no specialist left back, back up players in the squad, you would have to wonder whether the club rate Nkounkou or not. Sending him out to a league where he will not be truly tested doesn’t make sense. If he is considered a viable prospect, he could have stayed here and been given plenty of game time.
He’s looked promising to me when he has started, but, it seems the club prefer to play either Godfrey or Delph-Injured as back ups to Digne. Doesn’t bode well.
He’s looked promising to me when he has started, but, it seems the club prefer to play either Godfrey or Delph-Injured as back ups to Digne. Doesn’t bode well.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
Sending him to Belgium says that the club thinks he's a very long way away. Limited match time says that the receiving club doesn't rate him. Subbing him in the first half of the most recent match after the team horked up three goals in the first eighteen minutes is a really bad sign.
ParisToffee
Player Valuation: £5m
Nkounkou got practically no game time last year and maybe to keep him happy and motivated was sent to Belgium as a young french speaking lad, its also not far to jump on a train to meet up with family and friends! All this the club does'nt rate him is going a bit far as with Digne, we knew he d get minor time unless a dramatic injury and with Godfrey last season doing a good job also there and we can throw in delph, it was a solid decision ! The season isnt that old so maybe in coming months he'll get more game time there as wing back or winger even?
Having back up "potential" left backs like Garbutt for over 10 years who played maybe 8 times in that period and went down the english divisions to sunday pub squad levels on over 25 grand a week isnt what we should be doing again
Having back up "potential" left backs like Garbutt for over 10 years who played maybe 8 times in that period and went down the english divisions to sunday pub squad levels on over 25 grand a week isnt what we should be doing again
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
All very good points, if we just had him on the bench but never used him we would be quickly complaining why we didn't loan him out to see what he could do as a first teamer if he decided to up and leave.
He wouldn’t have got a chance though. Godfrey played ahead of him last season. No chance here.
We should be strategically placing lads on loan in Belgian, Dutch Leagues negotiating having options on some of their prospects in exchange, some good players come out of the Belgian league particularly.
Imangine we had an option on someone like Tielmeans before he went to Monaco, you could see his quality a mile off at Anderlecht.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £90m
My mistake, started all 4 but subbed off in 3 of them -- I read the data incorrectly
So it looks like hes been brought in as a starter.
But why Belgium? Why not a team in League 1 where he starts every game and gets comfortable in England and confident?
Decent sized club Standard Liege but it just seems a bit odd to me.
Yes that would be good. Standard Liege is a perfect club for that of course so hopefully this is the first step.
I was getting slated for wanting Tielemans at Anderlecht and even after he went to Monaco, there are top players built in belgium.
Still though, for Nkounkou in the games he played he looked like a premier league player at 20 years old. Its a real Baningime situation where the kid comed in, looks decent and then hes gone.
messymascot
Player Valuation: £35m
I suspect neither Ancelotti or Benitez particularly rated him. I think he was suppose to go into the u23s last year but that all changed when Baines retired. He did ok in the EFL Cup games but the whole team was awful against Newcastle when he played in the league and that seemed to be opportunity gone. So effectively a full season was wasted where he didn't get much game time. Benitez obviously doesn't deem him able to come in to cover Digne. Another thought is part of the tribunal might be we have to make payments as part of the compensation package if he plays set amount of games which we can't afford from FFP point of view.
TimHowardsBeardJuice
Player Valuation: £30m
I've posted a variation on this before.
Whatever the particulars of this loan with Nkonkou or this club, this is a situation - managing the growth of a young player on the cusp of a first-team role - that we've managed poorly recently.
I get the problem - do you have the player stay with the club, train with the first team, but only get limited minutes, or do you play him with the U23s which is crap competition, or do you loan him out, where he may or may not get good experience, and becomes unavailable if needed at our club.
It's tough, but if you look at the failures - Vlasic, Lookman, Kean, Small - we're not getting either good first teamers and we're not getting the value in sale that we could be.
Granted we managed the transition with DCL and Holgate and seem to be on the verge of doing it ok with Branthwaite and Gordon, but I just get a bad feeling that Nkonkou is neither going to play real first team minutes nor be sold for value.
Whatever the particulars of this loan with Nkonkou or this club, this is a situation - managing the growth of a young player on the cusp of a first-team role - that we've managed poorly recently.
I get the problem - do you have the player stay with the club, train with the first team, but only get limited minutes, or do you play him with the U23s which is crap competition, or do you loan him out, where he may or may not get good experience, and becomes unavailable if needed at our club.
It's tough, but if you look at the failures - Vlasic, Lookman, Kean, Small - we're not getting either good first teamers and we're not getting the value in sale that we could be.
Granted we managed the transition with DCL and Holgate and seem to be on the verge of doing it ok with Branthwaite and Gordon, but I just get a bad feeling that Nkonkou is neither going to play real first team minutes nor be sold for value.
james_v02
Player Valuation: £950k
I don't think Nkounkou was signed as a long term replacement for Digne. I think he was available on cheap and I think the strategy was to see how it goes in a few years' time. A loan move might be able to improve his mentality as a player. For him to play week in, week out is a good experience for him. Lets hope he return as a better player.
Lord Buckethead
Player Valuation: £35m
Rafafel will play four Centre backs, just like Carlo had to do in a similar situation last season for which he got slated for it being too defensive.
I await a similar outcome when Bigtitez does it.
I await a similar outcome when Bigtitez does it.
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