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Challenging for 4th and finishing 4th is not the same... Benitez himself also said finishing 8th is nothing to be proud off so I don't think there is anything wrong with my statement.

Form wise, I don't see much different between the team from 4th to 10th. I believe the point required to finish 4th this season should be in high 60s while low 60s should be enough for Europa league place. I believe Benitez would be disappointed if his team can't achieve that.

Challenge for 4th is not equal to getting 4th. Everton is currently only 3 points off the 4th so have some faith.

The top 4-10 is very very tight (with top 3 way too good for the rest as I predicted) and I still believe that the team still can challenge for 4th place if the team get some more players in Jan and better luck injury wise. If the team don't make Europe, I am sure Benitez will be disappointed.

Updated Table with 16-17 Season

vs Bruce, Rafael is doing slightly better with less net spent. Goal Difference is significantly better and that's point toward a more defensively solid approach vs Bruce. The net spent on 16-17 season is -36.6M Euro, so pretty much Rafael was operated on pretty much near zero transfer budget.

Man U are just not well organized defensively so if you counter attack well, it’s not that difficult to score against them. West Ham is a well drilled side and not easy to play against.

There is no point in discussing him since James in no longer here. Lack of options is more to do with injuries

Not so sure what could have been plan B when there is no one of note on the bench that can significant change the shape of the team and allow for better penetration. Benitez is not the kind of coach who will take risk if he think the possibility of concede more goal is higher than scoring one...

The team really need Richarlison or DCL back fast as the lack of cutting edge was apparent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot wrong with the team structure yesterday.

I am not from England so I don’t really into local rivalry so yeah I don’t really have a clue lol. With Benitez appointment, don’t be surprise if you will start to see many new posters that are his fan and keep following him to see how he is doing. The man clearly know how to win the heart of...

Apology accepted. I love the man but he also clearly have his shortfall. Overall though the pro outweighs the con by significant margin I forget his other problem, he tended to fallout with owners once he felt lack of support in transfer and is not afraid to go public. I believe this is the key...

He has tendency to rotate his team a little too much. It would work if he got a good enough squad but most of the time, he didn’t and get quite a few unfavorable results. I think you already experienced that with Everton (the cup game loss) He is also too logical in his decision making that he...

Didn’t know that this forum didn’t welcome non Everton fan… I thought I should be fine here as long as I didn’t offend anyone.

Double posted as I am not used to UI over here yet. Not going to keep arguing since we have our own opinion. At the end of the day, he didn't get the key signing in wide area that he really need to make the team play in the way he really want. A proper wide player was key in his system (as you...

Nice welcome there lol

I was there for 6 years until I was banned in 2010 after I posted a message that deemed to be offensive in the 4-0 loss against Spurs (not so sure if it was that bad but whatever.) Never go back there since.

The devil is clearly in the details. You can't say he was properly backed when you got Jermaine Pennant rather than Daniel Alves...

The devil is clearly in the details… If you believe he was property backed, then please explained why he only got Jermaine Pennant rather than Daniel Alves?

I have been a fan of him since his Valencia day and was ecstatic when Liverpool appointed him. Really heart broken when he was terminated. He would have won the league then if he was properly backed at the time. I was really disappointed when FSG didn't hire him in 2011-12 when he was...