2015 post UK election discussion

[bluemangroup]

I would hope a wrong sweeping generalizations as I was just bein flippant but I'm honestly beginning to wonder.

Even Miliband said they didn't borrow too much.

Depends what you define as too much.

 

[marty mcfly]

I hope someone reminds you of that when you are paralysied from a stroke or incapacitated from a virus etc. Or when you lose your job and can't afford to pay the bills. After all its just a game and losing is part of it.

Anything that the state can provide can be provided privately. That argument doesn't work. What we're talking about his lifestyle choices like having kids out of marriage with men that can't or won't pay for them. That's not something universal we all benefit from like the NHS and is bad for society in many ways. I don't think it's appropriate the state pays for it.

 

[daylightrobber]

Depends what you define as too much.

Exactly. From what I recall the country were generally happy with the investment in schools and hospitals etc. Labour were on a roll. They kept being re-elected anyway. Even the Tories were backing the spending plans as they were so good for the country.

and then came a global recession.

 

[marty mcfly]

Depends what you define as too much.

We shouldn't have had a deficit at all before the credit crunch hit since the economy was booming. That was the time to pay it down.

 

[1966efc]

Anything that the state can provide can be provided privately. That argument doesn't work. What we're talking about his lifestyle choices like having kids out of marriage with men that can't or won't pay for them. That's not something universal we all benefit from like the NHS and is bad for society in many ways. I don't think it's appropriate the state pays for it.

The armed forces? A specialist hospital? Care for three million plus elderly? Legislative overview of education, food hygiene, immigration?

The defining argument for Socialism is that there are many areas where the best results for the majority of people are obtained through collective enterprise. Never heard a convincing discussion to the contrary.

 

[bluemangroup]

Exactly. From what I recall the country were generally happy with the investment in schools and hospitals etc. Labour were on a roll. They kept being re-elected anyway. Even the Tories were backing the spending plans as they were so good for the country.

and then came a global recession.

And people became much more self interested and thought the world was taking the piss all of a sudden.

 

[daylightrobber]

Anything that the state can provide can be provided privately. That argument doesn't work. What we're talking about his lifestyle choices like having kids out of marriage with men that can't or won't pay for them. That's not something universal we all benefit from like the NHS and is bad for society in many ways. I don't think it's appropriate the state pays for it.

If you don't think we benefit from a functional society then that is a shame. You can't expect society to function properly by cutting at the bottom and giving at the top. If wealth was distributed in a more just ways then there would be far less issues. Dont make the mistake of thinking that the poor are the problem. Look at the other end.

The one parent family argument is a tricky one but at the end of the day it's the Child that would suffer. Deal with the causes, not the symptoms.

 

[bluemangroup]

We shouldn't have had a deficit at all before the credit crunch hit since the economy was booming. That was the time to pay it down.

Or it was the time to invest heavily in infrastructure. the figures aren't the be all and end all.

 

[daylightrobber]

We shouldn't have had a deficit at all before the credit crunch hit since the economy was booming. That was the time to pay it down.

Hindsight is wonderful. Eveyone from all political persuasions thought it was the right time to invest in previously neglected infrastructure etc.

 

[Clint Planet]

Anything that the state can provide can be provided privately.

A position as ideologically extreme as all-out communism.

 

[rascal]

If you don't think we benefit from a functional society then that is a shame. You can't expect society to function properly by cutting at the bottom and giving at the top. If wealth was distributed in a more just ways then there would be far less issues. Dont make the mistake of thinking that the poor are the problem. Look at the other end.

The one parent family argument is a tricky one but at the end of the day it's the Child that would suffer. Deal with the causes, not the symptoms.

That nagging right wing thought in me is telling me that these children should be put in workhouses and the mothers sent off to magdalene asylums. I think @Adversus would agree with that.

 

[daylightrobber]

And people became much more self interested and thought the world was taking the piss all of a sudden.

Unfortunately. The result being that foreigners in this country started to get the blame.

 

[daylightrobber]

That nagging right wing thought in me is telling me that these children should be put in workhouses and the mothers sent off to magdalene asylums. I think @Adversus would agree with that.

You might be on to something.

 

[peteblue]

Sorry are you seriously saying we should have gone on borrowing?

Until when exactly? What age are you, maybe it's because by the time we are bankrupt you'll be dead.

At some point rebalancing the books had to occur. The debt has been going up for decades to fund all those progressive policies. You might not think that's a big deal but to me who probably won't get a pension or people younger that are having a hard time getting work it is.

It depends why you borrow the money and at what rate. As a country that pays it's bills we can borrow at really good rates and if the money is spent on real investment and not used as a revenue substitute then it's good to do......

 

[peteblue]

A position as ideologically extreme as all-out communism.

Exactly, some things should always be privately run and some things by the state........it's a balance......