2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[jceverton]

Bielsa refused to take charge of the first team didn't he?

No he wanted to coach the u21's for a few months while his assistants coached first team with a view to seeing if he could get some of the u21's into first team. He was still going to manage the first team matches. He basically knew the first team were too slow in certain areas & wanted to see who he could draft in.

 

[Walken]

No he wanted to coach the u21's for a few months while his assistants coached first team with a view to seeing if he could get some of the u21's into first team. He was still going to manage the first team matches. He basically knew the first team were too slow in certain areas & wanted to see who he could draft in.

That sounds like not taking charge of the first team tbh

 

[hoppy]

Bad result for everton that with Ipswich winning we need to pick up points starting Saturday

 

[Bob Elstone]

I blame that idiot kenwright. He started this. Peddling the plucky little Everton Mantra at every opportunity to make sure he could keep hold of his toy.

Here we are praying every season that tinpot dross clubs lose to save our skin.

Worst thing to happen to Everton he was.

 

[miami]

Watching Ipswich tonight and seeing the desire, energy and belief they have. 3 things we are severely lacking in. It’s such a sad state of affairs that we are (again) relying on teams below us to be worse than us. It’s scandalous.

Forest have shown that money invested wisely and a positive attitude/game plan can work wonders under a decent coach.

Instead we splurge money on Beto and O’Brien who aren’t even deemed good enough to start for us.

We can’t continue the season as we are, relegation beckons if we do.

 

[Wat Tyler]

It’s a common thought, but the Potter shouts for now or next season are bizarre to me. No offence meant.

The bloke hasn’t managed a club to a win since against 10 man Leicester on 11th March 2023. Whilst there was a lot of successful club building there, his win % at Brighton was 31%. With more losses than wins.

Thomas Frank has 41% at Brentford by comparison (and no, he won’t come here).

At Chelsea there was turmoil, like there is here, that needed strong management but there was plenty quality (unlike here), but all he brought to the party was a lovely new long black coat and a little beard. 7 months he lasted. Chelsea is a bonkers club, but we are worse. He’d last 5 minutes.

Obviously has shown flashes of good football, and players developing amazingly, but was that him, or the structures built around him?

I have never got the attraction. From close friends who studied with him, he’s a top bloke. But the media pushed him into a job his record in top leagues was nowhere near suited to.

Good post. Also take a look at Man Utd for these “we play my way regardless of the players “ managers, to see that it could be a terrible appointment. We need a pragmatist, someone to get the best out of the players we have now. Which Dyche most certainly is not doing.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Good post. Also take a look at Man Utd for these “we play my way regardless of the players “ managers, to see that it could be a terrible appointment. We need a pragmatist, someone to get the best out of the players we have now. Which Dyche most certainly is not doing.

If we don’t find a manager who looks to improve the team we will be in this same place in 2 years just like we were with Dyche.

In football pragmatist is another word for coward.

 

[jceverton]

That sounds like not taking charge of the first team tbh

I disagree, his assistants knew how he wanted to play and would drill first team the way he wanted. He also put a time limit on it. He's effectively trying to do what he would've done in pre-season, in short he was trying to make the best of a difficult situation.

 

[Wat Tyler]

If we don’t find a manager who looks to improve the team we will be in this same place in 2 years just like we were with Dyche.

In football pragmatist is another word for coward.

Carlo was a pragmatist, he used what he had. It’s all about getting safe this season, we Have to stay up.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Carlo was a pragmatist, he used what he had. It’s all about getting safe this season, we Have to stay up.

At Everton Carlo was a coward

 

[overkill]

I think the teams below us apart from Southampton are probably better than us & are.capable of picking up a run of wins.

We need that run of wins like we had last season

 

[sdk]

In football pragmatist is another word for coward.

And idealist is another word for relegated.

 

[MACCA75]

Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea were there for the taking had we actually tried to win any of them.
We are the absolute cowards of the division.

 

[mccole]

We have survived our bad fixtures with 3 points and a game in hand.

We are still above the bottom 3 and have a better goal difference.

Dyche has been on thin ice for a while but the new owners might not be so kneejerk especially if they plan to use the January Window to boost the squad.

5 wins and we pull safe - let's start v Bournemouth

 

[knowing your history]

I don’t necessarily agree we wouldn’t come back up, but we would be by far the biggest scalp in that league and would be everyone’s cup final to use a cliche

It’s a common thought, but the Potter shouts for now or next season are bizarre to me. No offence meant.

The bloke hasn’t managed a club to a win since against 10 man Leicester on 11th March 2023. Whilst there was a lot of successful club building there, his win % at Brighton was 31%. With more losses than wins.

Thomas Frank has 41% at Brentford by comparison (and no, he won’t come here).

At Chelsea there was turmoil, like there is here, that needed strong management but there was plenty quality (unlike here), but all he brought to the party was a lovely new long black coat and a little beard. 7 months he lasted. Chelsea is a bonkers club, but we are worse. He’d last 5 minutes.

Obviously has shown flashes of good football, and players developing amazingly, but was that him, or the structures built around him?

I have never got the attraction. From close friends who studied with him, he’s a top bloke. But the media pushed him into a job his record in top leagues was nowhere near suited to.

If you watch how Brighton played in the premier league under Chris Hughton in April 2019 and how they were playing under Potter in April 2022 the style is night and day. That's what you'd get with him if there was patience and right signings made at right times. Dyche is a few weeks off being here two years now, Martinez got three years, Silva and Koeman would've got longer if they hadn't made total messes of their second seasons.

We are in unknown territory with the new ownership but I would say generally this club gives managers enough time until there is simply no alternative but to sack them.

Probably all academic now as West Ham look like they'll sack Lopetegui after the next bad result and Potter is lined up for them.

I think if there's a change here in near future it will be Moyes until the end of the season or an experienced manager from abroad. Paolo Fonseca sacked by AC Milan and he's been employed by Friedkin at Roma and did o.k there. Also impressed by the Lille side he created so he'd probably be favourite for the job as been linked regularly to prem jobs.