The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[Drico]

Please explain?

I don’t think he’s done anything extraordinary in his time with us other than ferment the rot in our club further with his leadership.

The only reason we stayed up last year was due to the other three teams being worse than us.

It’s not like he took over the club like Royle and led us to the FA Cup.

The dumbing down of the club is one thing but the willingness of the fans over the years to make apologies for the architects of under performance is staggering.

He got 48 points last season - which was very respectable given the paucity of quality in our squad. He did that in a season of unprecedented turmoil when we suffered two points deductions totalling eight points.

The season before, he saved us on the last day when Lampard threatened to sink us permanently. Over this time, we continued to make profit on player sales and run down our playing squad.

So, as much as I want him out now, I have no time for the idea that Dyche did not do a solid job for the season and a half up to this season.

 

[Azza]

They should be pumping major cash into this window. They'll lose multiple millions more if Everton go down.

Spend about £50M minimum and save this season for sure or risk losing the momentum they need to go into that new stadium.

If they're not currently doing deals in TFG boardroom with agents then they're not fit to own this club.

From the new Executive Chairman.

Whilst there is much work to be done, and PSR remains a limiting factor in the short term, the underlying financial position is now much stronger.

They won't be pumping major cash into this window. The only thing they can do is bin off Dyche.

 

[knowing your history]

Then their blood would be in the water and fans would know they can bend them to their will.

They'll resist that if possible. Our current league position allows them to let this go on a few more games before they feel they have to act to preserve any credibility they have.

But TFG wont be Moshiri. They wont be at the beck and call of irate fans.

If anything they've gone in the opposite direction at Roma. Mourinho was still very popular with the Roma fanbase when he was sacked and De Rossi should've got much longer this season than he did.

Annoying though if they lean on those Roma sackings to give Dyche longer than he should.

 

[Azza]

Okay someone please explain how we've lost to this basket case of a club twice this season.

 

[den]

He got 48 points last season - which was very respectable given the paucity of quality in our squad. He did that in a season of unprecedented turmoil when we suffered two points deductions totalling eight points.

The season before, he saved us on the last day when Lampard threatened to sink us permanently. Over this time, we continued to make profit on player sales and run down our playing squad.

So, as much as I want him out now, I have no time for the idea that Dyche did not do a solid job for the season and a half up to this season.

He will never do better than keep a team just above relegation, and that's what he's done so far. We're on pace for 34 points, which is relegation in most seasons.

 

[Drico]

He will never do better than keep a team just above relegation, and that's what he's done so far. We're on pace for 34 points, which is relegation in most seasons.

Which is why he has to go.

 

[knowing your history]

50m these days will get you a 15-20m FB who might not be better than Patterson or Myko. If you want to sign another midfielder then Lyon wanting 30m for Mangala full time gives you an indication of the market. I don't think he's that bad but he's also not a gamechanger for the team either.

It's a big ask to find another three Ndiaye types for 50m combined in the required positions.

Would rather get in 2-3 decent loans and see what happens. Send Broja and Lindstrom back if needed to do that.

 

[Bebeto]

From the new Executive Chairman.



They won't be pumping major cash into this window. The only thing they can do is bin off Dyche.

Well if they don't pump major cash during the window, dyche or no dyche they're running the risk of relegation and so massively decrease revenue next year with the added complexity of building a squad capable of challenging for promotion. It's NOW that the investment is needed, not in the summer. In relation to the psr, I am sure they have very competent and capable accountants that can find creative ways around it, same as chelsea did.

 

[Librarian]

Look at Aprils fixtures.,,,

 

[street end]

I dont accept that. I doubt too many others do either.

Sounds right to me.

 

[SuperKev91]

I dont accept that. I doubt too many others do either.

Frankly, they Friedkins could sell Branthwaite and do something with that money and a bit more of their own.

The idea that we are totally hamstrung this window is old regime stuff. Time for some imaginative thinking because needs must.

But PSR has proven to be a real, determinable beast.

Leicester are likely to fall foul of it in the next few weeks.

Why would we ‘ignore’ it when it’s clear they are enforcing it? (Despite how absurd the whole thing is)

We’re incredibly close to the wind for the three year period, if we spend big this window without sales/a serious influx of sponsorship somehow then we will absolutely breach PSR before the summer window. They need so shift Beto/DCL/Armstrong before they can realistically do proper business (unless they’re very confident about one going).

It’s crap but that’s the reality, ignoring it achieves nothing and literally just gets us another points deduction.

 

[Drico]

But PSR has proven to be a real, determinable beast.

Leicester are likely to fall foul of it in the next few weeks.

Why would we ‘ignore’ it when it’s clear they are enforcing it? (Despite how absurd the whole thing is)

We’re incredibly close to the wind for the three year period, if we spend big this window without sales/a serious influx of sponsorship somehow then we will absolutely breach PSR before the summer window. They need so shift Beto/DCL/Armstrong before they can realistically do proper business (unless they’re very confident about one going).

It’s crap but that’s the reality, ignoring it achieves nothing and literally just gets us another points deduction.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying player sales absolutely have to be on the agenda if PSR is limiting us to an extent that we cannot strengthen at all. And, yes, as much as I want to keep him, that means Brantwaite too, if the money was right.

Of course, I don't want it to come to this. We should, ideally, be moving heaven and earth to keep him and extend his contract. But the idea we can just ignore this window and not strengthen this feeble squad at all strikes me as an untenable position to be in. We're going to need to be creative.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Keep looking back at the southampton game in a similar way to the maupay west ham game. Only stunningly in reverse.

 

[SuperKev91]

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying player sales absolutely have to be on the agenda if PSR is limiting us to an extent that we cannot strengthen at all. And, yes, as much as I want to keep him, that means Brantwaite too, if the money was right.

Of course, I don't want it to come to this. We should, ideally, be moving heaven and earth to keep him and extend his contract. But the idea we can just ignore this window and not strengthen this feeble squad at all strikes me as an untenable position to be in. We're going to need to be creative.

Sell Branthwaite we’re down.

Can’t replace him mid season.

 

[Drico]

Sell Branthwaite we’re down.

Can’t replace him mid season.

Perhaps. But something is going to have to give. Fail to recruit in creative positions, and we may well be gone too.

I'm not suggesting we should sell Branthwaite. But I'm also not saying "PSR means we can do nothing in January".

Something will have to give unless we are prepared to run the risk with what we currently have.