6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Rita_Poon]

Not enough 'Yute's' in the academy...

 

[Look to the future]

It’s confirmed then. The premier league hate us.

 

[blulouie]

Not sure how the Ukraine war affects our losses in 20/21, given the war (or at least Russia's new invasion, it technically started in 2014 annexing Crimea and Donbass/Luhansk) started in 2022

The club were about to sign a £200mil stadium naming rights deal according to Sky.
Usmanov got sanctioned by UK government , USM sponsorship was lost to the club.

Charge relates to end of 2021/22 season.

 

[kenada_blue]

Yes.

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But as the spitter said...as we were working with the league, surely if they knew how bad it was they would've stopped us from making transfers or continue to operate.

The clubs should have an issue with the league allowing things to continue...not the club.

 

[Rita_Poon]

So if we'd sold one of our deadweight players in 2021 for £20m, none of this would've happened?

Or even not bought schneiderlin, or not had bolasie do his acl, or jpg rupture his quad, or have townsend do his acl, and and and...

I say, shove your england international, it's a big no thanks from the blues of Everton.

england u21 vs Northern Ireland u21 - Tuesday 21st November - Goodison park. GET IN THE BIN. Sorry Carsley, these dildo's need standing up to.

 

[Toffeeback]

That's what the PL have now adopted going forward based on similar to what EFL do.

The Commission have not been restricted to following that.

Right, but whether they were restricted to or not, that's clearly the standard they are committing to using. So is the appeals body going to be willing to undo that standard?

I mean, they're now giving concrete info on the punishment for this sort of breach. As long as they subsequently continue to use that same standard for other clubs, it's going to be hard for us to argue against. Of course, whether they are consistent in applying the standard remains to be seen.

 

[Igrok]

We're still early on in the season. We're 12 games in and have 2 points to make up over the remaining 26 games.

I do kind of get the hysteria, but this is the best year for us to be put in this position. It's not the death sentence it would have been in previous years. I'm still really confident we will be safe. The loss of income for potentially finishing 15th over mid table is what we should be grumbling about.

Wrong attitude… they will find another reason to relegate the club

 

[matty1878]

lads i’m proper raging…. now if i had a cat

 

[Bebeto]

The club were about to sign a £200mil stadium naming rights deal according to Sky.
Usmanov got sanctioned by UK government , USM sponsorship was lost to the club.

Charge relates to end of 2021/22 season.

Yep...we couldn't really take full advantages of the over inflated commercial deals that city has enjoyed for the last 10+ years....

 

[matty1878]

In the judgment.

In some respect we were lucky it was dealt with this season rather than last

i’m in two minds. we have it now as they’ll be 3 worse sides

but we’re just taking it up the rear

 

[blulouie]

morally we couldn't have played him til he was cleared though

He was never charged mate.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I’d love it if the PL have just brought the whole house of cards down on top of them with this. There’s very few outcomes that can now occur where they don’t look utterly incompetent. Headline on front of the tabloids is along the theme of football being in complete meltdown. I hope they’ve signed their own death warrant here and the independent regulator when it comes in just strips them of a lot of their freedoms.

 

[Zezti]

We are the perfect club to make an example out of, large enough to make headlines and insignificant enough to not impact the premier league brand if we did go down.

Or, its just Niasse's retrospective ban all over again and nobody else will be deducted points ever again.

I know we've been mismanaged, but nobody in their right mind can say we're a problem when Chelsea have outspent our last 10 years in a single season.

We'll still stay up even with this bullshit. K'off the lot of them.

 

[anton66]

We also have to deal with the hand chosen PL refs and var personnel who will have strict orders to add another 10 point deduction to our tally.

 

[nick_waters]

Someone earlier posted a screenshot of the part of the document that explains how the 10 point deduction was calculated (too far back to find it right now). But basically, it was related specifically to the amount of losses over the £105 million threshold. If I remember correctly, any overage at all is an automatic 6 points, and then every £5 million chunk of the overage amount garners one more additional point.

They didn't arbitrarily decide on 10 points from scratch, then. It was based on a standard calculation. £19.7 million / £5 = 4 points (they rounded up, ha) + 6 automatic points = 10 point deduction.

What worries me about that is how do we then get that reduced on appeal?

There would only be two ways I could see:

1) Argue that the calculated amount of the losses was wrong, but that only gets us at best 1 or 2 points taken off, as the automatic 6 point deduction would still stand for the existence of any breach at all + whatever amount of losses was still shown to have happened. Plus we did already admit to the breach apparently.

or

2) Argue that the entire system of an automatic 6 points + 1 point per £5 million is unfair. But that would require whatever body who hears the appeal to be willing to overturn the actual punishment structure in general - not only as it applies to us but for all future breaches by anybody. That seems a hard sell too, even if it is the ethically correct one. This is not an ethically correct system we're operating in.

So as much as it pains me, I kind of agree with a few earlier who said the 10 points will stick. I just don't see how we win an appeal without essentially overturning the system, which you know isn't going to happen for us of all clubs.

Then how come the PL wanted 12 points?
It simply shows that the Commission constructed its own sliding scale, and seemingly didn't use the administration yardstick of 9 points deduction as a test of their own final calculation.