Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
Its like I said at the start of this discussion, the players don't try because they don't feel the need to. There's a culture of mediocrity embedded into this club and has been for a long time where the club just shrugs off bad results and carries on till the next one. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.Our players not trying is not down to Bill Kenwright though! That's just insane. It was not a big deal to play for Everton back then, that's why we had a rubbish team, who did we sign that was a big name until Johnson started spending money we didn't have?
Now Moshiri is clearly trying to change that culture at the club and bring in a winners mentality but there's no getting around the fact that this attitude is there and has been since Kenwright started massively playing down expectations.
Its not hard to define at all. Both Birmingham and Wigan and Portsmouth have all enjoyed more success them us in the last thirty years.Success obviously is hard to define. Have Wigan had success? They have won something, how about Birmingham City? Mediocrity and failure can't be the same thing by their very nature!
They've suffered worse failures then us to sure but they've definitely enjoyed more success then we have.
If you're honestly telling me that you don't consider the endless cycle of garbage we've seen season after season to be a failure then I don't know what to say.
Finishing 7th is not success and never will be nor is 6th or 5th no matter how much sky try to spin it.
Which just shows that he's like Moyes. He might of been a positive influence once but that time has long past and at best he's more hindrance then a help now.I am not dancing around celebrating our 7th placed finishes or anything, far from it, I just look at it realistically, before he took over we were looking doomed, bad season after bad season, last day relegation battles etc, in his time we turned out to be pretty much the best of the rest, again this does not fill me with any joy and it bored me rigid to be honest but its not abject failure either.
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion but to me, twenty-five years without a trophy and only one final in all that time is a failure.
Fair enough mate. Agree to disagree. Its good that we can both debate like this about remeber that we both want the same thing ultimately. Lets hope that Don Carlo can build something in the next few years. COYB!Nothing wrong with what you consider, its your opinion, I do not agree with it, and again that's fine. I just don't get why he is still getting the crap in 2020, he is a glorified figurehead right now.