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Genuinely surprised that so many women would allow themselves to be sexually assaulted and just keep their mouthes shut for decades. And now, what a peculiar time to reveal what 'happened'. He's been in this process for ages, why now? Is it because the Democrats have been applying pressure to them or making it worth their while? Clearly if he is proven to have done said things its a different story, but as far as I know he hasn't. Do you know anything different on that? Let's stay on topic and be reasonable when discussing this, by the way.

This is a fair point.

Accusations agaisnt him is essentially dirty tricks by the clinton campaign that is being painted up otherwise by the american media to make trump look worse than he probably is himself.

Thing is, a lot of all this is just fell of crap at the end of it. Like the 'i'll be dating you in 10 years' comment. So that rules out that he is a paedophile point blank, and is very aware of waiting for the consentual age. It is seedy sure, but is he the only person who talks like that in america?

at the end of the day trump is a sexist and probably horrible person deep down and he isn't exactly shying away from that. If the clinton camp wanted to crush Trump they could just focus on why he wouldn't make a good president and tell people that instead. not sure why they focus on the glaringly obvious?

See I think this is a case of a wum egging someone along but not sure
 

Genuinely surprised that so many women would allow themselves to be sexually assaulted and just keep their mouthes shut for decades. And now, what a peculiar time to reveal what 'happened'. He's been in this process for ages, why now? Is it because the Democrats have been applying pressure to them or making it worth their while? Clearly if he is proven to have done said things its a different story, but as far as I know he hasn't. Do you know anything different on that? Let's stay on topic and be reasonable when discussing this, by the way.
Why did all the Saville victims wait till he was dead? I believe it was the power the man had that they thought it was futile to persue. Trump is then caught on tape so maybe they believed now we will be believed. Just my opinion.
 
Do you say there is a huge element of doubt in that Payment column because you have an idea of the figures there, or is this a personal opinion?

I'm just not sure they're any more realistic than saying we'll have £350m for the NHS or access to the single market without free movement and so on. They rank alongside the pledges made by Syriza in Greece, which of course sounded great but they lacked any basis in reality and they had to backtrack on nearly all of them.
 
You don't get it do you

You're claiming that they are interfering in the election by using a statement that says it is their foreign policy not to interfere with elections.

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I think you are being willfully obtuse here or just not understanding Joey.....and I am not in agreement with pretty much anything this new and sadly tarnished version of Finnfan has to say in general on this subject.

But they are talking about the cutting of the internet temporarily and the only conclusion to be drawn from the statements on the reason for this is that it is to STOP interference in the election of another country.

You can say that this ties in with their general policy, but the point being made is that the timing of this can easily lead somebody to believe it is to stop the recent flow of info in regard to Clinton. This would then clearly lead you to believe there has been persuasion, negotations or pressure from the US...or whatever you would like to call it.

If they were continuing with their previous policies then would it not be more usual that they do nothing at all, as it is not a state action and they can not be seen to be influencing the election in any case? I would reckon so personally, and it seemed to me quite clear it was an action taken in agreement with the state dept, if not so much at the behest of.
 

That isn't to say we shouldn't try and improve things, but I'm not sure veering towards fantasy helps anyone


But maybe too little is done to highlight their actual plans? Corbyn spends so much time answering questions about his own electability and batting away accusations of being an unrealistic socialist, that he rarely gets a chance to outline what his ideas are. I think most people can see that there's a somewhat coordinated media narrative against him, or at least that he's not getting the rub that other politician's get (even from left-leaning newspapers). Even if Corbyn was a complete fantasist, I think people are justified in questioning the blanket negative media coverage of him, and why they perhaps doth protest too much
 
I've no qualms with democracy. But it doesn't work in a capitalist system. Things are in a bad state domestically and foreign but unfortunately it's looking like things have to get worse to get a real change.

And you started it with no brain. I'll remember that McBain.

Thats my name. Dont wear it out.

Im shocked you got so offended tbf.

How could you possibly think the best thing would be to then put a massive capitalist in charge of a democracy. And not a good capitalist. A deranged one. Just trying to understand your position mate.
 
I like the way some people keep claiming the sexual assaults are false allegations and they don't check out the statements Trump says because most of them have been proven to be false.

Politics is not politics anymore, it's actually like the boardroom in the Apprentice and Trump potentially could be the first reality TV president.

He'd probably commission a reality TV series like the Kardisians about himself and the family in the whitehouse.

I always remember saying years ago when reality TV was blowing up on our screens this will be bad for us in the end.
 
I like the way some people keep claiming the sexual assaults are false allegations and they don't check out the statements Trump says because most of them have been proven to be false.

Politics is not politics anymore, it's actually like the boardroom in the Apprentice and Trump potentially could be the first reality TV president.

He'd probably commission a reality TV series like the Kardisians about himself and the family in the whitehouse.

I always remember saying years ago when reality TV was blowing up on our screens this will be bad for us in the end.
In all fairness, if you believe alternative views, him trying to get a better deal for the apprentice has ended up with him as republican candidate when he has no interest in the job.
 
But maybe too little is done to highlight their actual plans? Corbyn spends so much time answering questions about his own electability and batting away accusations of being an unrealistic socialist, that he rarely gets a chance to outline what his ideas are. I think most people can see that there's a somewhat coordinated media narrative against him, or at least that he's not getting the rub that other politician's get (even from left-leaning newspapers). Even if Corbyn was a complete fantasist, I think people are justified in questioning the blanket negative media coverage of him, and why they perhaps doth protest too much

It's a chicken and egg thing isn't it? On the one hand you have the fact that the vast majority of people are ill-qualified to comment on the things we're voting on. Even if we were health experts or education sages, we generally have insufficient knowledge of the constraints by which those services are delivered. So rather than making informed decisions we boil things down to simpler heuristics about what feels right.

Which lo and behold is just the kind of level that the media operates on, as the format of newspaper articles and tv segments doesn't suit detailed analysis of issues. They survive on getting a high number of viewers, so have to go more towards the lowest common denominator level to ensure they get that mainstream audience. That's not being snobbish, but it's the reality of the industry.
 

I like the way some people keep claiming the sexual assaults are false allegations and they don't check out the statements Trump says because most of them have been proven to be false.

Politics is not politics anymore, it's actually like the boardroom in the Apprentice and Trump potentially could be the first reality TV president.

He'd probably commission a reality TV series like the Kardisians about himself and the family in the whitehouse.

I always remember saying years ago when reality TV was blowing up on our screens this will be bad for us in the end.

Donald Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, informally approached LionTree Advisors chief executive Aryeh Bourkoff about setting up a Trump TV network after the presidential election, the Financial Times reported on Monday, citing sources.

Kushner contacted Bourkoff, one of the media industry’s top dealmakers, within the last couple of months, the FTreported, citing three people with knowledge of the matter.


http://fortune.com/2016/10/17/trump-tv-network-kushner/

Building the brand.
 
Donald Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, informally approached LionTree Advisors chief executive Aryeh Bourkoff about setting up a Trump TV network after the presidential election, the Financial Times reported on Monday, citing sources.

Kushner contacted Bourkoff, one of the media industry’s top dealmakers, within the last couple of months, the FTreported, citing three people with knowledge of the matter.


http://fortune.com/2016/10/17/trump-tv-network-kushner/

Building the brand.
Yup. This is the long game for him
 
what if he hasn't sexually assaulted anyone in his life? What if he has never met these women before in his life?

Would it still be fair accusations or simply dirty tricks that aren't necessary?
Aren't women simply accusing him of doing exactly what he said he does?
Also, I'd imagine a whole lot of women were scared off before by the threat of legal action from Trump. In the American legal system, the person with the most money wins. Perhaps all these accusations are happening now because there's strength in numbers and there are big players willing to believe and support these women.
 
Plenty of ammo for Trump for this final debate. What's Clinton managed to dig up on him this week? Any more fake stories? You have to assume they are fake as surely any woman (or at least one of the so many!) who has been sexually 'assulted' would have gone to the police, right?


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