Donald Trump for President Thread

[joey_macmo]

I think you are being willfully obtuse here or just not understanding Joey.....and I am not in agreement with pretty much anything this new and sadly tarnished version of Finnfan has to say in general on this subject.

But they are talking about the cutting of the internet temporarily and the only conclusion to be drawn from the statements on the reason for this is that it is to STOP interference in the election of another country.

You can say that this ties in with their general policy, but the point being made is that the timing of this can easily lead somebody to believe it is to stop the recent flow of info in regard to Clinton. This would then clearly lead you to believe there has been persuasion, negotations or pressure from the US...or whatever you would like to call it.

If they were continuing with their previous policies then would it not be more usual that they do nothing at all, as it is not a state action and they can not be seen to be influencing the election in any case? I would reckon so personally, and it seemed to me quite clear it was an action taken in agreement with the state dept, if not so much at the behest of.

So what your saying is that they've lied in their statement when they said their government “does not respond to pressure from other states.”

Which goes back to my original point that the statement does not back up the assertion that they've been influenced by the US government

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is a fair point.

Accusations agaisnt him is essentially dirty tricks by the clinton campaign that is being painted up otherwise by the american media to make trump look worse than he probably is himself.

Thing is, a lot of all this is just fell of crap at the end of it. Like the 'i'll be dating you in 10 years' comment. So that rules out that he is a paedophile point blank, and is very aware of waiting for the consentual age. It is seedy sure, but is he the only person who talks like that in america?

at the end of the day trump is a sexist and probably horrible person deep down and he isn't exactly shying away from that. If the clinton camp wanted to crush Trump they could just focus on why he wouldn't make a good president and tell people that instead. not sure why they focus on the glaringly obvious?

No Ash it is a ridiculous point.

Trump was well known to be a vindictive, rich and litigious man and anyone making any accusation of him would have immediately found herself sued by someone with an army of lawyers and her career prospects compromised. A lot of these reports are essentially he said she said and so, absent a pattern of behavior, very difficult to get a judgement on - which is as it should be as you don't want to have innocent people unfairly accused.

However the Access Hollywood tape changed that, he said in his own words "I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... Grab them by the [Poor language removed]. You can do anything." Then he went to the debate and claimed that he never did anything like that, it was all just bluster.

Put yourself in the position of someone who he had done exactly that to - not only would it make you mad as hell but determinded that it was worth it to come forward as you were far more likely to finally be believed? Many of the women claim to have told friends at the time, the People magazine writer for instance http://people.com/politics/people-writer-attack-by-donald-trump-corroborated-six-named-sources/, are they all lying as well?

Fair enough if you discount their stories but the initial point that women who were groped in the 90s went to the police at the time is just daft, they are unlikely to do it even now - would be handled through H.R. departments if it was reported at all, many aren't.

 

[bicycleheader]

I'm just not sure they're any more realistic than saying we'll have £350m for the NHS or access to the single market without free movement and so on. They rank alongside the pledges made by Syriza in Greece, which of course sounded great but they lacked any basis in reality and they had to backtrack on nearly all of them.

I dunno Bruce it sounds like you are positing a biased opinion and accepting a situation as just as it is, and not accepting the possibilities.

If a president were ever to get in that might actually greatly reduce the billions spent on the Military to spend it elsewhere on their citizens would that not change the ballpark completely for what is workable policy? As an example.

As such. are some of the new tax proposals listed which would address massive shortfalls in yearly tax collected not large enough to cover those policies? I mean, do you feel they wouldn't collect enough tax.....do you think introducing those taxes is impossible...or some other reason? Why is it you feel there is no basis in reality here?

 

[bicycleheader]

So what your saying is that they've lied in their statement when they said their government “does not respond to pressure from other states.”

Which goes back to my original point that the statement does not back up the assertion that they've been influenced by the US government

Joey cmon, how long have you been reading political press reports? The statements by the Ecuadorian government are pretty bog standard. What do you expect them to say IF there has been discussion with the US State Dept or other US officials?

I'm not saying there definitely has been, and I don't agree with Finnfan jumping on it and spinning it to continue his wumming or misguided ways, but this for me is a normal political announcement to be taken with a generous amount of salt. Circumstance and timing do give some credence to any belief that the decision was influenced.

 

[Ashtonian]

Robert Johnson; only one version obvs
Jimi Hendrix; 68-69
Eric Clapton; 68-69

Then just sit back and listen

Aren't women simply accusing him of doing exactly what he said he does?
Also, I'd imagine a whole lot of women were scared off before by the threat of legal action from Trump. In the American legal system, the person with the most money wins. Perhaps all these accusations are happening now because there's strength in numbers and there are big players willing to believe and support these women.

Or perhaps it is dirty tactics by the clinton camp? I don't know which one it is!

No Ash it is a ridiculous point.

Trump was well known to be a vindictive, rich and litigious man and anyone making any accusation of him would have immediately found herself sued by someone with an army of lawyers and her career prospects compromised. A lot of these reports are essentially he said she said and so, absent a pattern of behavior, very difficult to get a judgement on - which is as it should be as you don't want to have innocent people unfairly accused.

However the Access Hollywood tape changed that, he said in his own words "I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... Grab them by the [Poor language removed]. You can do anything." Then he went to the debate and claimed that he never did anything like that, it was all just bluster.

Put yourself in the position of someone who he had done exactly that to - not only would it make you mad as hell but determinded that it was worth it to come forward as you were far more likely to finally be believed? Many of the women claim to have told friends at the time, the People magazine writer for instance http://people.com/politics/people-writer-attack-by-donald-trump-corroborated-six-named-sources/, are they all lying as well?

Fair enough if you discount their stories but the initial point that women who were groped in the 90s went to the police at the time is just daft, they are unlikely to do it even now - would be handled through H.R. departments if it was reported at all, many aren't.

to be honest I'm not saying he has or hasn't done anything. If he has then it wouldn't put it past him tbh, and the death of his showbiz career as a result. I am simply just asking what if as it seems especially with this debate that no-one is questioning anything other than to throw at each other in an argument. I'll admit i'm not clued up on everything and won't pretend otherwise. the fact i would favour Trump simply because he isn't a politican and probably doesn't even want the job shows how little clued up i am.

So the following question is not weighted by any political means here, again simply a what if. What if Trump is less the sexual predator that is being made out, and more actually what he is, a seedy billionaire, where the women he allegedly 'gropes' or whatever are actually throwing themselves at him for his money? What if instead of being some cocky sexist male, he is more all front no pants so to speak? He says it but does not do it? Has that been proven that he actually has done it or is the evidence on what he has said behind closed doors?

As i say i am simply asking what if here. Because in the political climate that is going on, anything seems to be sticking once one of them throws it at the other.

 

[dandydan]

Thats my name. Dont wear it out.

Im shocked you got so offended tbf.

How could you possibly think the best thing would be to then put a massive capitalist in charge of a democracy. And not a good capitalist. A deranged one. Just trying to understand your position mate.

Aren't the clintons multi millionares? Despite never creating a job or product in thier lives.

 

[Moomin]

Or perhaps it is dirty tactics by the clinton camp? I don't know which one it is!


to be honest I'm not saying he has or hasn't done anything. If he has then it wouldn't put it past him tbh, and the death of his showbiz career as a result. I am simply just asking what if as it seems especially with this debate that no-one is questioning anything other than to throw at each other in an argument. I'll admit i'm not clued up on everything and won't pretend otherwise. the fact i would favour Trump simply because he isn't a politican and probably doesn't even want the job shows how little clued up i am.

So the following question is not weighted by any political means here, again simply a what if. What if Trump is less the sexual predator that is being made out, and more actually what he is, a seedy billionaire, where the women he allegedly 'gropes' or whatever are actually throwing themselves at him for his money? What if instead of being some cocky sexist male, he is more all front no pants so to speak? He says it but does not do it? Has that been proven that he actually has done it or is the evidence on what he has said behind closed doors?

As i say i am simply asking what if here. Because in the political climate that is going on, anything seems to be sticking once one of them throws it at the other.

See people, this is what a generation of reality TV has created.

He wants Trump to win because he's not a politician.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Never trust a man in a wig.

 

[The Esk]

Thing is, a lot of all this is just fell of crap at the end of it. Like the 'i'll be dating you in 10 years' comment. So that rules out that he is a paedophile point blank, and is very aware of waiting for the consentual age. It is seedy sure, but is he the only person who talks like that in america?

I think you have a young daughter don't you? (apologies if not) How if a grown man made that comment about your daughter within earshot of you?

Would you consider him a suitable candidate for anything, let alone President?

It's totally indefensible and horrific what he said - think logically, what thought process must go through someone's mind when seeing a young girl to even think such things, let alone say them?

 

[RAFUH]

where the women he allegedly 'gropes' or whatever are actually throwing themselves at him for his money?

Reason #278 women don't come forward with sexual harassment or assault claims

 

[Boss_Blue]

Why you have to insult me?

...

You chimp.

 

[LinekersLegs]

What if Trump is less the sexual predator that is being made out, and more actually what he is, a seedy billionaire, where the women he allegedly 'gropes' or whatever are actually throwing themselves at him for his money? What if instead of being some cocky sexist male, he is more all front no pants so to speak? He says it but does not do it? Has that been proven that he actually has done it or is the evidence on what he has said behind closed doors?.

It is possible, you'll have to make your own judgment.

Personally I'm an Ocam's Razor kind of gal, he boasted he liked to do it and around 10 women have claimed he did it so I'm going to go with his likely did it. Doesn't change anything for me though, I was wasn't supporting him before these allegations.

I just want to correct the idea that women who have been groped report it/persue charges and anyone who doesn't is automatically lying.

 

[dandydan]

Yet everybody ignores the words of Bill clintons victims when they talk of hilary hushing them up.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Yet everybody ignores the words of Bill clintons victims when they talk of hilary hushing them up.

it is all sooo dam hypocritical isnt it...

 

[Ashtonian]

See people, this is what a generation of reality TV has created.

He wants Trump to win because he's not a politician.

If i was american i probably wouldn't be saying that, only the fact i have zero influence on the decision can i say things like that

I think you have a young daughter don't you? (apologies if not) How if a grown man made that comment about your daughter within earshot of you?

Would you consider him a suitable candidate for anything, let alone President?

It's totally indefensible and horrific what he said - think logically, what thought process must go through someone's mind when seeing a young girl to even think such things, let alone say them?

not at all, I apologise if my posts seem to be in defence of Trump because to be honest i am not defending him, just asking hypothetical questions on the matter.

We can all see he is not fit to be president, and i maintain i don't believe he wants to be either. but with all things considered, out of billions of americans, he is the one that got the nomination. No matter how seedy or horrible he may well be, he is still the candidate here, so whether he is fit to be president or not, is a bit irrelevant right now whilst he has a chance of winning.

As for the comment thing, of course i wouldn't be happy with him saying that, and would react accordingly. Stick me across the ocean and make me american and i would not be voting for him either, if that counts for anything.

Reason #278 women don't come forward with sexual harassment or assault claims

now i say this without attacking or trying to be nasty or anything like that. But do women not throw themselves at men for money? Do women not go out to town of a weekend to pull a footballer or a doctor or something? Or be a wannabe model or anything like that?

I AM NOT SAYING EVERY WOMAN AND IT IS A MINORITY

just to point that bit out before you think i'm being sexist or anything like that, it is a minority here but does that not exist? So to dismiss the idea that any woman would throw themselves at trump simply for money is just as foolish as taking any accusations on face value. My evidence? You really think Trump's wife is married to him for love?