Dyche or Allardyce?

Dyche or Allardyce

  • Dyche

  • Allardyce

  • Moyes on toast

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brieverton said:
I'm honestly not sure. Perhaps my judgement is clouded, but I'm genuinely terrified by what I'm seeing on the pitch. Absolutely terrified. If we lost 4 or 5 on the bounce looking awful in an otherwise ok season, you'd say things will be alright but I wouldn't lay any money on us staying up at the moment. We have been absolute total turd all season, and there is enough of it gone to come to at least some conclusions.

I fully agree that Allardyce hauls us back to an era we thought we had left behind, but by God I'm worried. I have no huge desire to see him appointed, but he talked sense with Andy Gray and for me, he is the best placed to get us of of this. I'm barely thinking past the next game, let alone into next season.

We don't know if Tuchel is interested in the job, or if we are in him. If I had to wager on it, my answers would be no and yes. Agree completely with you and your intimation that we have no leadership at board level and from Moshiri. That is the fundamental problem, and being in a position where Allardyce and Dyche seem to be the leading candidates is symptomatic of the disease, not the disease itself.

If Walsh, Elstone, Kenwright, and the whole cabal can not put a structure in place for an orderly transition post-Allardyce (if it comes to it), then this is again the club/boards issue. Allardyce gets a 2 or 3 year contract, and in reality, thats the remit over which he would be paid to have influence and be responsible for results/performances.
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All very fair points mate. I understand people think we are so much in the soft and smelly we have no choice.

I won't get on board with Sam. In truth if fella like Unsworth, Royle, Ebbrell and Duncan are shown the door for his entourage I'm rally not sure what I'd do. It would break my heart. It would be about the most un-Everton thing I'd seen. I won't make any big statements about never watching again, as you always find a way back, but I can't get on board with it.
 

Blue_in_london said:
Then don't hire him. Simple.
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Would be my view on it mate.

Very few managers I would want to see join us less than Allardyce. He was always tainted at least by association even from his Bolton days for dodgy deals, keeping mates in the team or the backroom staff at the expense of club people, leaving club's with huge payoffs to sack him and his "team". His football has - the Bolton days the sole exception - been desperate stuff.

And then when he hilariously landed the national side job, he simply used it as a way of getting access to lucrative speaking events. So much pride in the job he threw it away in weeks.

Amazes me that fans and the board can want this man at Everton.
 

Khalekan said:
I would say we were.
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We are definitively bigger in terms we have won more league titles and you could say overall we have had more historic players. They are in a one club city, have a bigger stadium, the natives usually apply as much pressure for results as if they were United/Chelsea/City. I think we are bigger for sure but it's not the massive jump that say Dyche would be making in his management career.

At the end of the day we have both won jack in donkeys and they have a manager who has won a few european trophies and we are lining up two managers who don't. I think it's probably time to stop living off way back when and start winning trophies to show that we are still a big club that can really lord it over others.
 
This is a terrible situation. These are terrible choices. Both would attempt to do the same thing right away. Make us Very very hard to score against.... OK how would you do that? We are leaking goals like a leak and potatoe pie. How exactly would you make a a solid defense out of the personnel at our disposal? Kenny was the U20 captain for England and the U23 skipper last year, Keane was Dyche’s boy, Tubby, Jags, Baines.... really!
Could we switch to 3 or even 4 defensive midfielders? Gana, Schneiderlin, Beningime - possible?
So just skip all this fix the defense idea its not happening
Why don’t we just score more goals - oh yeah we sold our only goal scorer...
So what’s left - buy some creative midfielders and get them to chip in with 8-10 goals each - wait....
 

Big Sam would sort this team out and would be a short term appointee, where as the opposite would be true for Dyche. I can't stand the thought of having to watch the sort of football we'd play under these men for the foreseeable future. Hire Sam, then move on to bigger better things in the summer. Send Walsh packing in the process. Source a proper technical director not some random head scout, let him hire his man and then try to put together a more than decent side for next season.
 
Actually the team situation is complex and the relegation crisis is increasing, I said we need experience manager to handle this complex situation and solve the problem. Dyche is "too green" to handle the crisis and he is no outstanding achievement in the past, no European competition experience and hence he is not the most suitable person for us now when compared to Moyes or Big Sam. Big Sam have outstanding track records on prevention of team relegation in premier league and Moyes have 11 years outstanding track record in our team, he has European competition experience (even enter the Quarter-finals of Champions league) as well as La Liga experience.
 
Why is it that only dross are mentioned with our vacancy?

Now I know we are not the most appealing at the moment but surely with a so called billionaire making cash available we should be able to attract someone a little more dynamic and long term?
 

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