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He literally came 17th in his first stint here.


I love Moyes and understood the reasons for why we came 17th that year and ultimately if we hadn’t have continued to back him we wouldn’t have seen the good league placing we had that followed this.


It just goes to show that this ridiculous argument some are putting forward that certain managers or fans are aiming for 17th is absurd. No one aims for 17th. You can end up there of course, as Moyes did, as we did under Dyche, you can say that 17th would be the minimum requirement (which it was this season to avoid being relegated before the stadium move), you can say that I would take 17th if offered (which many many fans would have done in January 23) but this is not the same as aiming for 17th. No manager or fan is aiming for 17th. ‘Would you like 16th?’ ‘Nah our aim for this season is 17th’ said no manager ever,


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