ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Blues Harp]

Just read those comments 3 times.
Unbelievable.

Why hun?

 

[D*ck Solomon]

I'm going to be absolutely honest now, so please forgive me.

With the greatest of respect, this is utter rubbish. Why should this comment ('bunk in every game in history bar one') invalidate the support shown by our club, and the respect we have always shown to the victims?

We have never once even suggested the culpability of the police and other parties in the disaster. We have never once suggested it should all be blamed on the fans.

But to suggest that someone else's culpability takes away ANY of theirs is absurd. Were there fans trying to force entry? Of course there were. Would we have had the same? Quite possibly, though it is hypothetical.

Just because something isn't ALL someone's fault, or even MOSTLY someone's fault, it doesn't mean NO responsibility should be accepted. To deny that and frame in in emotional wrapping about kids hand in hand is what seems disrespectful to me.

We have always shown our support, as a club and as a fanbase, and weren't there. Many of those who are now 'weaponising' the disaster seem to care about nothing so much as insisting their unnaturally spotless behaviour, far more than the victims and families. They are the ones disrespecting the spirit of that mural, not us, not the original poster, and not me.

Give that a little think. Most of us live in a world in which everything has shades of grey. Some do not.

We are not, nor have ever been, 'on their level'. And hopefully, never will.

To be honest lad, you've contradicted yourself a load of times there. I hate them as a football club. Our brothers, family and friends , some of them happen to be red. God wouldn't have wanted it but its a fact. I'll give them down the banks about every single thing except snide shouts like was made there. Sorry if thats not the trend round here, if the trend is to make snide shouts like that then I'd rather just swerve the forum. I actually think you come across as a massive d1ckhead there. Thats my opinion.

I don't believe our fanbase are as low as their level and we all know they are bad muppets at the best of times but you really dont get 'it'. Grow up. I assume you aren't from the city. If you are then I'm gutted people like you walk amongst us. Sorry for being passionate about the but I lost someone at that game. If you knew anything about that ground you'd know it could have happened to any club. It just happened to happen to people from our city. That draw could have had us at that ground very easily. Spurs had it a few years before against Wolves when they couldn't breath.

Hate them? Yes, I do too and will till I shuffle off this mortal coil. Resort to digs like the bulger one days ago and then that absolutely snide comment? No. Not for me.

But those who want to do as you please. I'm sure I speak for the majority of decent Blues when I say its a level of horribleness that we wont entertain.

 

[D*ck Solomon]

They've taken a black, middle eastern, Jewish anti-imperialist provacator and painted him as a white German. Essentially as they have no awareness whatsoever in their own lives, they have to steal achievements of black people from the middle east.

Ive amended that there.

 

[Yarrgh]

Just read those comments 3 times.
Unbelievable.

I thought you would have read them 6 times.

 

[redeye]

There's obviously different theories of what fascism is and how to identify it. I am most sympathetic to the one outlined their, which is essentially it developed an independent pole of attraction tht had a paradoxical position of doing aspects of what the elite wanted, but also existing as a threat in other areas. The social bae of the Nazi's (and indeed Mussolini's Fasci) were lumpen thugs and aspects of the middle class, at the lower end who felt "squeezed" above and below.

LFC have a very similar dynamic in their support base. Lots of home counties types with range rover and a subscription to the Telegraph and the lumpen fools who try to torch iconic symbolsof a working class city, or urinate on memorials/graffiti them. Go and watch Tommy Robinsons visits to Liverpool, the crowds that go to watch him are full of LFC shirts. They're a racist club, with racist support (he himself went to Anfield, and no harm came to him, I suspect he was welcomed).

As for the 2nd part, them and United are the establishment clubs. They're as establishment as Saville and Thatcher. Loads of tories support them, including now Rees Mogg. They are as English/British as the Union Jack. They are trying to colonise a working class city with their nonsense as well. They'll lap it up being on the Proms as well. There will be absolutely no calls for the club to distance itself from the establishment once YNWA becomes the new song of british imperialism at the Proms. Most of them will be dead chuffed they can asscoiate themselves to the mass murder of the British empire, as they hate Black people and Irish people.

What about all the worldwide fans of LFC.
Do you think they would agree with your views.?
LFC is proud I am sure of the fact that they have followers from every nation and religion who follow them.
Colour or religion especially in Liverpool has never been an issue either.
Its a football club that happens to be doing ok at the moment. ( that's all )
Quoting the names of Saville/Thatcher somehow being linked and saying that most of the fans hate the Irish and Black people is an awful comment.
To think you even got likes for that post as well.
Like it or not, The last night of the proms has been on TV for years and is a popular watch for most.
Pretty sure it has nothing to do with football or its fans of any club.
Trying to insinuate that LFC and their fans hold allegiance to nazis, fascists, Tommy Robinson,( hounded out of Liverpool ), and British imperialism and to then claim LFC as a racist club is beyond belief.
Not sure if you are from Liverpool and not asking either.
Have a nice day anyway.
( puts range rover away in treble car garage )

 

[catcherintherye]

Just read those comments 3 times.
Unbelievable.

What on earth are you going on about? The truth hurts mate, don't shoot the messenger.

 

[catcherintherye]

What about all the worldwide fans of LFC.
Do you think they would agree with your views.?
LFC is proud I am sure of the fact that they have followers from every nation and religion who follow them.
Colour or religion especially in Liverpool has never been an issue either.
Its a football club that happens to be doing ok at the moment. ( that's all )
Quoting the names of Saville/Thatcher somehow being linked and saying that most of the fans hate the Irish and Black people is an awful comment.
To think you even got likes for that post as well.
Like it or not, The last night of the proms has been on TV for years and is a popular watch for most.
Pretty sure it has nothing to do with football or its fans of any club.
Trying to insinuate that LFC and their fans hold allegiance to nazis, fascists, Tommy Robinson,( hounded out of Liverpool ), and British imperialism and to then claim LFC as a racist club is beyond belief.
Not sure if you are from Liverpool and not asking either.
Have a nice day anyway.
( puts range rover away in treble car garage )

This response I'm afraid is typically vapid and illogical. Your club and fans have a serious problem, and ridiculous ill thought through replies aren't going to solve the problem.

You are a rotten racist club, to the very core. Go and read the culture that presided over the club in the 80's in Howard Gayle's book. The ridiculous nicknames for John Barnes. The KKK inspired parties for Gayle to have to attend. Then fast forward. The abuse of a black teenager who had to leave the pitch in tears due to monkey chants. The abuse of Evra (and lack of any apology, and mindless inane chants of calling him a "lying ******) from the crowd. The deliberate and provocotive championing of a racist, shortly after they were convicted of racism, and instead of wearing Kick it out T Shirts in an unprecendented move making him the emblem of the club.

Think of the abuse and continued lies towards Mason Holgate for daring to bring an accusation of racism, and the inane racism that comes out of 99% of your suporters mouths when the laws and principles that Lawrence family fought so hard for are parodied and insulted by more white LFC supporters (and racists). Who on earth do fans of your club think they are, to make judgement on what the Lawrences have achieved? What on earth have your club and it's fans ever achieved that thinks they are in any kind of position to ever make a moral judgement on them and what they fought for?

Then think of the gawping face of your owner, smiling and gafforing with the worlds leadign fascist Donald Trump and even giving him a signed Red Sox shirt. In just the same way apoligists did to Adolf Hitler all those years ago to help normalise a disgraceful regime.

Think of the "no Fenians" graffiti, the secterian loyalist songs belted out from the Kop, the lack of any Irish Catholic players signed until the 1980's, the board that was set uplmost entirely of Orangemen and Tories with the intent of being a club made up of, and welcoem to only 1 section of the community. Think of how it was formed by the backs of wealthy tory landowners and the scabs of society who lacked the courage and basic sense of decency to do what is right, and run these people out of town.

Think of the crowing around Thatcher, as she destroyed the city, pitching up for picture ops at every opportunity while the poeple in the city suffered. The arson attacks on cultural heritage sites. The urinating and graffiting of murals for Evertonians who've died then the fake news Evertonians do the same. That you have fan after fan oncomments pages defending the right of Rees Mogg and his scummy entitled kids to support Liverpool. The man who is now enabling a government to again decimate the life chances of people in the city whileyour fans defend him as one of their own.

So I tell you what, why don't you get angry about just a single 1 of the multitude of unforgiveable examples I've given, and apologise for supporting such a racist, elitist and prejudicial organisation rather than trying to have a pop at someone who has taken the time to analyse the actions in an impartial and reasnable manner. There is no justification for what you and your sort do. You're an utter disgrace and a cancer on society.

 

[catcherintherye]

Why hun?

It looks like a guy who supports a racist club has become angry when someone points out racism is wrong. Imagine my surprise.

 

[D*ck Solomon]

You're an utter disgrace and a cancer on society.
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I'm probably going to get labeled a red here which I most definitely am not. But that post you have just made and to end it with that last line there makes me question your mental stability. John Barnes got a banana thrown at him from the family enclosure in one of my first ever games. My dad and a good number around him had a full on riot with a gang of dickheads who were national front in the yankee bar. Our obsession with them has to stop. Sh1ts like you are why we are labeled small time. We p1ss on them in a million ways. Get some respect and decency in that head. F0ck them f0ck them . Remember who you are and where you are from (if you are even from the city) before you go throwing comments like that around.

 

[D*ck Solomon]

It looks like a guy who supports a racist club has become angry when someone points out racism is wrong. Imagine my surprise.

I'll wait for you to apologise for the hypocrisy.

This club, them end every club in the UK have a racist element. I think after what Yakubu got from the park end that we have moved on. I spent days with Tom Rowell and a few more deciding how to get rid of racism in our club. You have no idea.

 

[catcherintherye]

You're an utter disgrace and a cancer on society.

I'm probably going to get labeled a red here which I most definitely am not. But that post you have just made and to end it with that last line there makes me question your mental stability. John Barnes got a banana thrown at him from the family enclosure in one of my first ever games. My dad and a good number around him had a full on riot with a gang of dickheads who were national front in the yankee bar. Our obsession with them has to stop. Sh1ts like you are why we are labeled small time. We p1ss on them in a million ways. Get some respect and decency in that head. F0ck them f0ck them . Remember who you are and where you are from (if you are even from the city) before you go throwing comments like that around.
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Why would I have respect and decency for racists?

What happened to John Barnes was awful. A black day in our clubs history, the lowest in our existence. The difference is, we own it and rightly call it out.

When hes presented with the same thing, he goes in the offensive, as you seem to be doing.

Nobody found the person who racially abused John Barnes, made excuses for them, and stuck their mug shot over the front of our shirts thus making them an emblem for their club. That's the difference.

Anyway I'll leave you to get irate at someone for pointing racism and its defenders are a cancer on society.

 

[redeye]

This response I'm afraid is typically vapid and illogical. Your club and fans have a serious problem, and ridiculous ill thought through replies aren't going to solve the problem.

You are a rotten racist club, to the very core. Go and read the culture that presided over the club in the 80's in Howard Gayle's book. The ridiculous nicknames for John Barnes. The KKK inspired parties for Gayle to have to attend. Then fast forward. The abuse of a black teenager who had to leave the pitch in tears due to monkey chants. The abuse of Evra (and lack of any apology, and mindless inane chants of calling him a "lying ******) from the crowd. The deliberate and provocotive championing of a racist, shortly after they were convicted of racism, and instead of wearing Kick it out T Shirts in an unprecendented move making him the emblem of the club.

Think of the abuse and continued lies towards Mason Holgate for daring to bring an accusation of racism, and the inane racism that comes out of 99% of your suporters mouths when the laws and principles that Lawrence family fought so hard for are parodied and insulted by more white LFC supporters (and racists). Who on earth do fans of your club think they are, to make judgement on what the Lawrences have achieved? What on earth have your club and it's fans ever achieved that thinks they are in any kind of position to ever make a moral judgement on them and what they fought for?

Then think of the gawping face of your owner, smiling and gafforing with the worlds leadign fascist Donald Trump and even giving him a signed Red Sox shirt. In just the same way apoligists did to Adolf Hitler all those years ago to help normalise a disgraceful regime.

Think of the "no Fenians" graffiti, the secterian loyalist songs belted out from the Kop, the lack of any Irish Catholic players signed until the 1980's, the board that was set uplmost entirely of Orangemen and Tories with the intent of being a club made up of, and welcoem to only 1 section of the community. Think of how it was formed by the backs of wealthy tory landowners and the scabs of society who lacked the courage and basic sense of decency to do what is right, and run these people out of town.

Think of the crowing around Thatcher, as she destroyed the city, pitching up for picture ops at every opportunity while the poeple in the city suffered. The arson attacks on cultural heritage sites. The urinating and graffiting of murals for Evertonians who've died then the fake news Evertonians do the same. That you have fan after fan oncomments pages defending the right of Rees Mogg and his scummy entitled kids to support Liverpool. The man who is now enabling a government to again decimate the life chances of people in the city whileyour fans defend him as one of their own.

So I tell you what, why don't you get angry about just a single 1 of the multitude of unforgiveable examples I've given, and apologise for supporting such a racist, elitist and prejudicial organisation rather than trying to have a pop at someone who has taken the time to analyse the actions in an impartial and reasnable manner. There is no justification for what you and your sort do. You're an utter disgrace and a cancer on society.

You really need to get a life if you believe in all the tripe you have just written.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'll wait for you to apologise for the hypocrisy.

This club, them end every club in the UK have a racist element. I think after what Yakubu got from the park end that we have moved on. I spent days with Tom Rowell and a few more deciding how to get rid of racism in our club. You have no idea.

You are aware I wasnt referring to you when I mention about supporting a racist club.

I'm sure there are aspects of racism at every club. I'm only aware of one, who on finding out one of its employees was convicted of racism, decided to splash his mugshot over the t shirts of all of the players shirts in support of him and his actions. I mean do correct me if you have another example?

 

[redeye]

I'll wait for you to apologise for the hypocrisy.

This club, them end every club in the UK have a racist element. I think after what Yakubu got from the park end that we have moved on. I spent days with Tom Rowell and a few more deciding how to get rid of racism in our club. You have no idea.

And bananas were thrown at John Barnes from the same end.

 

[catcherintherye]

You really need to get a life if you believe in all the tripe you have just written.

Well I've just listed you what your club have done.

So rather than minimizing it, ignoring it, turning on the person raising the questions, for once why dont actually start getting a but angry with those who partake in that behaviour? Or are you just not bothered about it?