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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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ScouseBlueBoy said:
The more I see, read and hear of their fans, the more I am beginning to believe that The Sun got it right.

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Hey, hang on guys. By all means disagree, but don't slate the lad this badly. I imagine he saw this quite horrendous piece from that lot on their lovely forum, which you'd be excused for thinking is out of some graphic novel:

I forget to tell everyone, I was at a wedding the other week and they played that [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] Z-Cars dirge. Couldn't help myself. I ran at the DJ and skewered him on a microphone stand, punched the mother of the bride repeatedly until her nose shattered all over her [Poor language removed] stupid royal blue dress and the shards of nose bone entered her brain which did her off, bottled the groom in the jugular with, ironically enough, a broken Butcombe Bitter bottle, and then beheaded the bride with the decorative Samurai sword they were going to use to cut the cake. My night was nicely round off by battering the groom's dad to death with a piece of blue wood, and strangely enough, his last thoughts were of Goodison. Decent night that was. Five dead, and no other * will invite me to a wedding and even think about playing THAT * SONG.

Not really. That was me using a highly exaggerated form of the rhetoric and histrionics our bitter friends from across the park use to describe what it feels like to hear a [Poor language removed] song to satirise the *. I went to a wedding and they played "Third Finger Left Hand" by Martha and the Vandellas. The buffet was lovely and everyone had a nice time.

Now if you've never heard of them and you read that, you'd be thinking the worst of their fans, especially since every post after that applauds the genius's "comedy".
 
Jxg said:
Hey, hang on guys. By all means disagree, but don't slate the lad this badly. I imagine he saw this quite horrendous piece from that lot on their lovely forum, which you'd be excused for thinking is out of some graphic novel:

I forget to tell everyone, I was at a wedding the other week and they played that [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] Z-Cars dirge. Couldn't help myself. I ran at the DJ and skewered him on a microphone stand, punched the mother of the bride repeatedly until her nose shattered all over her [Poor language removed] stupid royal blue dress and the shards of nose bone entered her brain which did her off, bottled the groom in the jugular with, ironically enough, a broken Butcombe Bitter bottle, and then beheaded the bride with the decorative Samurai sword they were going to use to cut the cake. My night was nicely round off by battering the groom's dad to death with a piece of blue wood, and strangely enough, his last thoughts were of Goodison. Decent night that was. Five dead, and no other * will invite me to a wedding and even think about playing THAT * SONG.

Not really. That was me using a highly exaggerated form of the rhetoric and histrionics our bitter friends from across the park use to describe what it feels like to hear a [Poor language removed] song to satirise the *. I went to a wedding and they played "Third Finger Left Hand" by Martha and the Vandellas. The buffet was lovely and everyone had a nice time.[/SPOILER]
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The lads seems 'a little' unstable.

I had to get him kicked out of a bar in Liverpool City Centre when he was 17.

The audacity/ignorance/stupidity of it - not surprised in the slightest he's continued with piss poor decision making.
 
ScouseBlueBoy said:
The more I see, read and hear of their fans, the more I am beginning to believe that The Sun got it right.

<staff note - this is not a view endorsed by the staff of this site>
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This might sound insensitive and I don't ant it too. Obviously I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement as it is just incorrect and based upon lies of a rag of a paper.

However these sort of comments, and more importantly what the Sun did has greatly strengthened Liverpool as a club (and the city itself). It has enraged, motivated and fostered a group of people to begin to get justice and create a sense of identity that goes beyond a football club. It's a bit like the Munich air Disaster was the making of Manchester United, as it elevated them to a club with a global appeal. You can't underestimate Busby and his determination in it and likewise you can't underestimate the role the families of those who died played in fostering that spirit.

While it would be wrong for me to lecture those involved in the campaign, what I would say is frustrating (in both cases) is how that spirit is used in a partisan way. Some Liverpool fans have understandably tried to make it a Liverpool FC issue. We've regularly seen Liverpool managers dedicated victories to those who died, just as United fans often talk about their dead as a motivator. While I find it understandable and they have every right to do so, I do think it's a little insensitive, linking footballing achievements to the deaths of humans. There is no compensation for that.

In a roundabout though, what I'm saying is comments like yours above don't really help mate. They just re-enforce the view that it is an issue about Liverpool FC. When Liverpool fans make out Everton fans didn't/don't help it is hugely insulting. We should fight every step of the way to challenge the notion it is a tragedy about Liverpool. It's a tragedy that was about people form the city of Liverpool, and football fans in general. We can and should support them against the Sun on that basis, irrespective of what some modern day morons post on forums.
 
catcherintherye said:
This might sound insensitive and I don't ant it too. Obviously I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement as it is just incorrect and based upon lies of a rag of a paper.

However these sort of comments, and more importantly what the Sun did has greatly strengthened Liverpool as a club (and the city itself). It has enraged, motivated and fostered a group of people to begin to get justice and create a sense of identity that goes beyond a football club. It's a bit like the Munich air Disaster was the making of Manchester United, as it elevated them to a club with a global appeal. You can't underestimate Busby and his determination in it and likewise you can't underestimate the role the families of those who died played in fostering that spirit.

While it would be wrong for me to lecture those involved in the campaign, what I would say is frustrating (in both cases) is how that spirit is used in a partisan way. Some Liverpool fans have understandably tried to make it a Liverpool FC issue. We've regularly seen Liverpool managers dedicated victories to those who died, just as United fans often talk about their dead as a motivator. While I find it understandable and they have every right to do so, I do think it's a little insensitive, linking footballing achievements to the deaths of humans. There is no compensation for that.

In a roundabout though, what I'm saying is comments like yours above don't really help mate. They just re-enforce the view that it is an issue about Liverpool FC. When Liverpool fans make out Everton fans didn't/don't help it is hugely insulting. We should fight every step of the way to challenge the notion it is a tragedy about Liverpool. It's a tragedy that was about people form the city of Liverpool, and football fans in general. We can and should support them against the Sun on that basis, irrespective of what some modern day morons post on forums.
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Well said.

Hillsborough was a tragedy for the city of Liverpool....not merely the eponymous football team.

The dead may have been wearing red favours that day.......but those left to mourn them, to follow the coffins, to face up to life without them were Red and Blue in equal numbers.

I travelled home in a coach from Villa Park that day and there was a funereal hush over the coach as every person on that coach had a brother, a cousin, a nephew, an uncle or a mate who was in Sheffield that day and in that pre mobile phone and 4G hotspots era there was no way of knowing who had perished and who was safe.

This is why I think it despicable the way LFC continually invoke the spirits of the Hillsborough dead in such a partisan fashion......most noticeably with Brent and his "96 supporters in the Sky" mantra during the pre Title lap of honour in the spring of 2014.

In this respect Hillsborough is very different to Munich.

Munich was about Manchester United and Manchester United only.

Hillsborough was about the City of Liverpool.
 
Khalekan said:
Well said.

Hillsborough was a tragedy for the city of Liverpool....not merely the eponymous football team.

The dead may have been wearing red favours that day.......but those left to mourn them, to follow the coffins, to face up to life without them were Red and Blue in equal numbers.

I travelled home in a coach from Villa Park that day and there was a funereal hush over the coach as every person on that coach had a brother, a cousin, a nephew, an uncle or a mate who was in Sheffield that day and in that pre mobile phone and 4G hotspots era there was no way of knowing who had perished and who was safe.

This is why I think it despicable the way LFC continually invoke the spirits of the Hillsborough dead in such a partisan fashion......most noticeably with Brent and his "96 supporters in the Sky" mantra during the pre Title lap of honour in the spring of 2014.

In this respect Hillsborough is very different to Munich.

Munich was about Manchester United and Manchester United only.

Hillsborough was about the City of Liverpool.
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And with that superb and eloquent post, we shall leave it for now, if that is ok.
 

Loans can be a bit hit and miss but Liverpool have succeeded in recent years in having a 100% failure rate. Doubt many clubs will be willing to loan any more players to Rodgers.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...anquillo-liverpool-atletico-madrid-loan-ended
The Spanish defender Javier Manquillo has returned to Atlético Madrid after his two-year loan at Liverpool was terminated early.

The Spanish club have confirmed that the 21-year-old has been recalled and the deal cancelled by mutual consent because he did not get sufficient game time during his first season at Anfield.
 

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