EST Safe Standing Survey Results

[SimonM]

Hi all, please see the EST press release and results link below. Thanks everyone who took part, it makes for interesting reading. Would appreciate any feedback if you have any:

EVERTONIANS SUPPORT SAFE STANDING

In late 2016 Everton Supporters Trust took the decision to survey their members and the wider Evertonian fan-base on the subject of Safe Standing. Safe Standing is an incredibly divisive and contentious issue in modern football especially on Merseyside, however 2016 has seen some major shifts in opinion with the successful introduction of a Safe Standing section north of the border at Celtic Park and a number of Premier League Clubs discussing the possibility of introducing sections to their own stadiums.

Over 1400 Evertonians took the survey that was conducted both online and on a one to one basis from our stall in St Luke's Church before the home matches against Swansea and Manchester United. Of those that took the survey an incredible 90% believe that a Safe Standing section should be introduced at Goodison Park or a potential new build stadium, and 92% agreed that supporters should be given the choice of whether to sit or stand when attending a match.

Everton Supporters Trust now intend to provide Everton Football Club with the results of the survey and hopefully continue the process of meaningful and constructive consultation over the introduction of Safe Standing with the Club, City Council and MP's, whose support would be needed to pass any legislation that would be required to allow standing sections back in stadiums in the top two tiers of English football.

The full survey results can be found here:
www.scribd.com/docu…/338253357/EST-Safe-Standing-Report-2017

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Why wait. Let's get an unofficial standing area now in the Gwladys Street. Back corner, GT8, great spec, 200 of our away lads. Just find a match when we can do it.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Why wait. Let's get an unofficial standing area now in the Gwladys Street. Back corner, GT8, great spec, 200 of our away lads. Just find a match when we can do it.

I guess the whole point is having "safe" standing, which means removing the existing seating and putting in new structures that can be seats and can be hand rails for standing sections, like they did at Celtic park, shown in the video below,

 

[Dymak]

I once read that safe standing increases a stand's capacity by 80%, is this true? Because if it is, I don't think it's safe. If capacity stays the same, then de facto safe standing already takes place.

The link in the OP says page not found.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

I guess the whole point is having "safe" standing, which means removing the existing seating and putting in new structures that can be seats and can be hand rails for standing sections, like they did at Celtic park, shown in the video below,

It is, but in the meantime, get a standing area anyway.

We stand at aways now so it would just be like that but we'd be at home.

Like a second away end at Goodison but for home fans. The sign at the turnstyle might look a bit confusing though. "Away end for home fans"

 

[Blue Horse]

I prefer to sit at games myself but would like to see safe standing areas as there's plenty of people that like to stand. So long as it doesn't mean having to listen to someone belting a drum for the entire 90 mins as seems to happen at Celtic.

 

[Mountfield1985]

I once read that safe standing increases a stand's capacity by 80%, is this true? Because if it is, I don't think it's safe. If capacity stays the same, then de facto safe standing already takes place.

The link in the OP says page not found.

I don't believe so mate.

 

[DavenhamBlue]

I prefer to sit at games myself but would like to see safe standing areas as there's plenty of people that like to stand. So long as it doesn't mean having to listen to someone belting a drum for the entire 90 mins as seems to happen at Celtic.

You must have good hearing to hear a drum from Parkhead

 

[Mountfield1985]

Hi all, please see the EST press release and results link below. Thanks everyone who took part, it makes for interesting reading. Would appreciate any feedback if you have any:

EVERTONIANS SUPPORT SAFE STANDING

In late 2016 Everton Supporters Trust took the decision to survey their members and the wider Evertonian fan-base on the subject of Safe Standing. Safe Standing is an incredibly divisive and contentious issue in modern football especially on Merseyside, however 2016 has seen some major shifts in opinion with the successful introduction of a Safe Standing section north of the border at Celtic Park and a number of Premier League Clubs discussing the possibility of introducing sections to their own stadiums.

Over 1400 Evertonians took the survey that was conducted both online and on a one to one basis from our stall in St Luke's Church before the home matches against Swansea and Manchester United. Of those that took the survey an incredible 90% believe that a Safe Standing section should be introduced at Goodison Park or a potential new build stadium, and 92% agreed that supporters should be given the choice of whether to sit or stand when attending a match.

Everton Supporters Trust now intend to provide Everton Football Club with the results of the survey and hopefully continue the process of meaningful and constructive consultation over the introduction of Safe Standing with the Club, City Council and MP's, whose support would be needed to pass any legislation that would be required to allow standing sections back in stadiums in the top two tiers of English football.

The full survey results can be found here:
www.scribd.com/docu…/338253357/EST-Safe-Standing-Report-2017

Link doesn't work.

Great work with the survey though.

 

[Dymak]

I don't believe so mate.

Fair enough, I did read that though, a couple of years ago. Does it increase capacity at all then?

My concern is about crushes outside the ground. It was horrendous outside Anfield the other year and that is at current capacity. I can also remember it being unusually chocca outside the Bullens when we played Mentalist Kharkiv, more chocca than ever before tbh, worse than Wimbledon 1994 etc. If you added another 50 - 80% to that crowd of people then I think people would have been in trouble.

 

[The Cowboy]

Still calling it 'safe standing' I see, in spite of the obvious connotations (the inclusion of the word 'safe' will always have folk question the safety).

It's rail seating.

 

[SimonM]

Hi guys,

apologies if the link doesn't work, this one should:

 

[Mountfield1985]

Fair enough, I did read that though, a couple of years ago. Does it increase capacity at all then?

My concern is about crushes outside the ground. It was horrendous outside Anfield the other year and that is at current capacity. I can also remember it being unusually chocca outside the Bullens when we played Mentalist Kharkiv, more chocca than ever before tbh, worse than Wimbledon 1994 etc. If you added another 50 - 80% to that crowd of people then I think people would have been in trouble.

I don't think there's one size fits all. It could be done without increasing capacity. Though I think Celtics might have been a 40% increase.

That's a good point about the crush outside. In old fashioned stadiums like Anfield and Goodison there are issues there. I was in that at Anfield and it wasn't nice to say the least. There are definite ways to avoid it though. If our rail seating was introduced in the Park End I couldn't see any issues at all.

 

[Bagpuss]

Fair enough, I did read that though, a couple of years ago. Does it increase capacity at all then?

My concern is about crushes outside the ground. It was horrendous outside Anfield the other year and that is at current capacity. I can also remember it being unusually chocca outside the Bullens when we played Mentalist Kharkiv, more chocca than ever before tbh, worse than Wimbledon 1994 etc. If you added another 50 - 80% to that crowd of people then I think people would have been in trouble.

Definitely increases crowd capacity - In dortmund I think their capacity is reduced to around 65,000 from 80,000 for champions league games when their is a requirement for all seater as opposed to their domestic games.

 

[kev101]

I'm all for it. I remember standing, loved it. When the all seaters came in it killed goin the match for me. It took it from exciting steaming bear pit atmosphere, to les miserables, in one massive fun devouring swoop.