Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

[ProZ]

How many 6 foot grocks does Moyes want in mf the bad ming

 

[windymiller]

I mean we already do that, kind of.

We paid a lot for Lewis Gibson, Dom, Branflakes.

Do we though? Dom was straight into the first team squad, so was Branthwaite. Gibson wasn't but he's not really made the step up to the first team squad, and that's going to happen, but in recent years that's not a great return. We've won various B leagues under Unsworth but that hasn't translated to breakthroughs to the first team. Unsworths gone, koppite Kev is in, I await with bated breath. We need to start generating our own talent, the purchasing model has failed.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I really think we would only bring in Broja if DCL is going. Richy could play wide but Broja is an out and our striker, he knows he could play first team football for any bottom half prem team so why would he go to one where he’s going to be on the bench behind one of their best players?

 

[windymiller]

We’re not in the position to throw an up and coming kid in that defence. If they were good enough to transform it then it doesn’t matter what scouting team we have, we ain’t beating the top clubs to them. We did it with Stones but even as good as he now is, I don’t think a 19 year old Stones is what this defence needs right now.

Just as Leicester needed Jonny Evans and then Fofana could slot next to him, we desperately needed a senior CB who could stay fit and organise that back line. Tarkowski does that. So now we can either get a bit more out of Mina next to him, try whichever of Godfrey Holgate Branthwaite works best with him, or if we bring in a younger CB they’re playing next to a decent player rather than a train wreck like Michael Keane

The Tarkowski deal was not a bad one at all.

Tarkowski is fine, it's not some sort of coup as some posters would have us believe. It is not a transformative signing. It's just fine (and expensive).

We've tried buying established PL talent and failed, this is without doubt, anyone who claims otherwise fails to understand empirical evidence. So, we can try to correct that, or try something different. I'm in the mood for something different.

 

[Goat]

Do we though? Dom was straight into the first team squad, so was Branthwaite. Gibson wasn't but he's not really made the step up to the first team squad, and that's going to happen, but in recent years that's not a great return. We've won various B leagues under Unsworth but that hasn't translated to breakthroughs to the first team. Unsworths gone, koppite Kev is in, I await with bated breath. We need to start generating our own talent, the purchasing model has failed.

I honestly dont think we have ever stopped trying to generate our own talent.

I mean look at the top clubs, how many have academy players in their first 11?

Foden, TAA, Kane, im sure theres loads others, but its not like we ever stopped or any club.

But yeah, at times it felt like Unsworth only cared about Unsworth, might be harsh, might be true.

We compete with some top, top clubs in our catchment area.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Do we though? Dom was straight into the first team squad, so was Branthwaite. Gibson wasn't but he's not really made the step up to the first team squad, and that's going to happen, but in recent years that's not a great return. We've won various B leagues under Unsworth but that hasn't translated to breakthroughs to the first team. Unsworths gone, koppite Kev is in, I await with bated breath. We need to start generating our own talent, the purchasing model has failed.

Players have broken through, they’ve just not kicked on.

Davies was a teenager ranked in that stupid golden boy award, picked to train with England, keeping the likes of Klaasen Schneiderlin Delph Gomes out the team at different points. He’s drastically declined since then but was that the academy’s fault?

Gordon is in the first team and one of our best players.

Is it the academy’s fault that Thierry Small wanted to go and get a contract at Southampton?

Even now Lundstram Dowell Forshaw Barkley are all playing at decent levels, not good enough to push us on but they’ve made careers in the top flight.

We’ve got another batch of young players right now: Dobbin, Simms, Pryce, Welch, Onyango who knows if any will be good enough to make it but its highly unlikely for clubs to have a constant conveyor belt of talent coming through. Even at Barcelona after the Iniesta Messi Xavi generation, they’ve had to wait a long time to get Pedri and Gavi, sometimes it is just dependent on generational talent. Same at United, they had the 92 class, then Lingard and Pogba and that’s been it really.

The good kids will come through the academy if they’re there, they always have, its what happens after that in the first team that worries me. Koeman had DCL at right wing back after all.

 

[windymiller]

I honestly dont think we have ever stopped trying to generate our own talent.

I mean look at the top clubs, how many have academy players in their first 11?

Foden, TAA, Kane, im sure theres loads others, but its not like we ever stopped or any club.

But yeah, at times it felt like Unsworth only cared about Unsworth, might be harsh, might be true.

We compete with some top, top clubs in our catchment area.

Someone or some group of people let Unsworth prioritise utterly meaningless trophies, whilst playing individuals who were never, ever going to make it into the first team, rather than developing raw but promising talent, the bulk of whom would also not have made it but maybe, just maybe, might have, for years. We're not serious about youth development, if we were we would have stepped in years ago.

 

[Leylo]

Players have broken through, they’ve just not kicked on.

Davies was a teenager ranked in that stupid golden boy award, picked to train with England, keeping the likes of Klaasen Schneiderlin Delph Gomes out the team at different points. He’s drastically declined since then but was that the academy’s fault?

Gordon is in the first team and one of our best players.

Is it the academy’s fault that Thierry Small wanted to go and get a contract at Southampton?

Even now Lundstram Dowell Forshaw Barkley are all playing at decent levels, not good enough to push us on but they’ve made careers in the top flight.

We’ve got another batch of young players right now: Dobbin, Simms, Pryce, Welch, Onyango who knows if any will be good enough to make it but its highly unlikely for clubs to have a constant conveyor belt of talent coming through. Even at Barcelona after the Iniesta Messi Xavi generation, they’ve had to wait a long time to get Pedri and Gavi, sometimes it is just dependent on generational talent. Same at United, they had the 92 class, then Lingard and Pogba and that’s been it really.

The good kids will come through the academy if they’re there, they always have, its what happens after that in the first team that worries me. Koeman had DCL at right wing back after all.

It just proves koeman was a joke when he played him there lost me then

 

[windymiller]

Players have broken through, they’ve just not kicked on.

Davies was a teenager ranked in that stupid golden boy award, picked to train with England, keeping the likes of Klaasen Schneiderlin Delph Gomes out the team at different points. He’s drastically declined since then but was that the academy’s fault?

Gordon is in the first team and one of our best players.

Is it the academy’s fault that Thierry Small wanted to go and get a contract at Southampton?

Even now Lundstram Dowell Forshaw Barkley are all playing at decent levels, not good enough to push us on but they’ve made careers in the top flight.

We’ve got another batch of young players right now: Dobbin, Simms, Pryce, Welch, Onyango who knows if any will be good enough to make it but its highly unlikely for clubs to have a constant conveyor belt of talent coming through. Even at Barcelona after the Iniesta Messi Xavi generation, they’ve had to wait a long time to get Pedri and Gavi, sometimes it is just dependent on generational talent. Same at United, they had the 92 class, then Lingard and Pogba and that’s been it really.

The good kids will come through the academy if they’re there, they always have, its what happens after that in the first team that worries me. Koeman had DCL at right wing back after all.

Davies and Gordon is a pitiful return in the space of, what, 5, 6, 7 years?

We have two problems as I see it, we don't use our underage teams as development teams, they seem to operate independently of our first team, and we don't offer a route to first team football for young players, we don't trust them, we don't give them opportunities, even in cup games. If I was Thierry Small, I would have left too. He had no chance here. We'd have never played him.

 

[Goat]

Someone or some group of people let Unsworth prioritise utterly meaningless trophies, whilst playing individuals who were never, ever going to make it into the first team, rather than developing raw but promising talent, the bulk of whom would also not have made it but maybe, just maybe, might have, for years. We're not serious about youth development, if we were we would have stepped in years ago.

But we had players who won a World Cup with England.

I just think its easy to point fingers, but youth development is a hard thing to do.

People think you can just go "Lets produce our own players" and it happens.

I blame the class of 92.

 

[windymiller]

But we had players who won a World Cup with England.

I just think its easy to point fingers, but youth development is a hard thing to do.

People think you can just go "Lets produce our own players" and it happens.

I blame the class of 92.

Anybody who thinks you can get half a team from their youth system is delusional. However, one first team player every two or three years doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Teams like Southampton, who like it or not are now our direct competitors, seem to manage it. We are now at least five years away from buying our way up the table again, given our finances, so we need to be more creative and take more risks

 

[Goat]

Anybody who thinks you can get half a team from their youth system is delusional. However, one first team player every two or three years doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Teams like Southampton, who like it or not are now our direct competitors, seem to manage it. We are now at least five years away from buying our way up the table again, given our finances, so we need to be more creative and take more risks

Do they manage it tho?

Ward Prowse and ????

 

[windymiller]

Do they manage it tho?

Ward Prowse and ????

Ben White, Luke Shaw, Callum Chambers, Matt Targett. You might say that is just OK, but that's five players with solid PL careers in 7 or 8 years that have either made a difference to Southampton or have earned them decent fees. We can't run the Chelsea or Man City model, 20 odd players out on loan, I get that, but we can do better. We should always be trying to do better. We'll probably just keep trying to sign Watford and Burnley players for 8 figures and give them high 5 figure or 6 figure salaries per week.

 

[irishgoose]

Benjamin Bourigeaud

Anyone know anything about this guy?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Ye it’s very unlike the dildo brothers. Reading a bit of West Ham Twitter some aren’t getting too excited by the bids yet and won’t believe till they’ve signed, leaking bids to the media though seems to be their thing.

Moyes has been scrimping and saving though. This is his big blowout. A bunch of players have also just left.