Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[BlueToff]

Krul gone to Ajax on loan.

So that's that link ended.

Opens door for Cillisen to join Barca... Bravo to City...















Hart to West Ham

 

[BlueToff]

I normally agree with most points you make but when 'newspapers' and ITK's, not accountants say a club has a £100m warchest to spend they're talking about the amount available for transfers.

As it stands, so far, everything we have spent up until this point is covered by the sale of Stones + extra TV money. We should have money still available just from TV money alone. It's looking doubtful Moshiri will have invested any of his personal money, other than clearing our debts by the end of the window unless we make a big signing or sign more players than seems likely.

Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think shifting the goalposts, to try and make out that £100m warchest included everything inclusive and on top of transfer fees is justification for saying we did have that amount available.

Mate that's not me that's written it it's from the guardian article Mout qposted a few pages back, as I said.

I never believed the £100mil 'warchest' - and that has been my stance all along (anybody who has enough time can check should they so wish) since the beginning of the window.

I believed Moshiri invested heavily in the club as an overall project (probably around £100mil). Part of that was to pay off debt, part to go to the new stadium plans, part to go towards coaching staff/Walsh, part transfers.

Edit: Also, Moshiri really has invested his own money mate. £100mil isn't a drop in the ocean - even to somebody as rich as he is.

We are in a position where we don't have to skimp in that the Stones money hasn't been used to cover one signing plus 'other operating costs' or debts. That's down to Moshiri.

I don't get why people are so angry at that?

*And it isn't sell to buy either. We have money to spend and so far, based on figures widely reported

Stones OUT - £47m (£7m to Barnsley so £40m)

IN
Bolasie - £23-25mil up front
Williams £9-12mil up front depending on who you believe
Gana - £7.8mil
Stek - nominal, say £200k to round it up to £8m for him and Gueye.

We're already up, admittedly not by much, and there will be business done.

 

[bluestevon]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths

Interesting read.

nice article Goatster

 

[Goat]

we have though

via @Blue_Berry

The inclusion of the share purchase is pushing it a little, the fact is, nobody has a real clue regarding the state of play with regards the clubs cash flow, things like Manager compo and player purchases defo comes out the clubs kitty, as for the land purchase its very much only hear say and who knows if the club also paid for that? Our accounts werent in bad shape, we posted a 28m profit last accounts if my memory serves me right, coupled with the 40-50m increase in Sky funds, plus 2 months in wages we saved with regards losing Howard et al.

As im just saying its wrong to imply Moshiri has spent a vast sum, when in reality its possible to do everything we have done this summer so far very much in the clubs own means.

 

[Roger Milla]

If we have a budget of 100m that will be for fees and new player salaries for the season

 

[whiteshadow]

Mate that's not me that's written it it's from the guardian article Mout qposted a few pages back, as I said.

I never believed the £100mil 'warchest' - and that has been my stance all along (anybody who has enough time can check should they so wish) since the beginning of the window.

I believed Moshiri invested heavily in the club as an overall project (probably around £100mil). Part of that was to pay off debt, part to go to the new stadium plans, part to go towards coaching staff/Walsh, part transfers.

Sorry, didn't realise.

I guess the most important thing in the long run is the new stadium progressing and at least now we have a good manager and support team in place. Hopefully it'll move forward quickly.

I've got a nasty feeling that a few of us are going to be a bit underwhelmed come the end of the window. Mostly due to all the hype about us having loads of money.

Having said that I still think the team will be much improved on last season due to signings and just having a competent manager who can motivate the players and employ good tactics will get us competing around the European places.

 

[BlueToff]

The inclusion of the share purchase is pushing it a little, the fact is, nobody has a real clue regarding the state of play with regards the clubs cash flow, things like Manager compo and player purchases defo comes out the clubs kitty, as for the land purchase its very much only hear say and who knows if the club also paid for that? Our accounts werent in bad shape, we posted a 28m profit last accounts if my memory serves me right, coupled with the 40-50m increase in Sky funds, plus 2 months in wages we saved with regards losing Howard et al.

As im just saying its wrong to imply Moshiri has spent a vast sum, when in reality its possible to do everything we have done this summer so far very much in the clubs own means.

Fair enough, take the share price out (as that was the first investment needed)

Just a question though mate, had no investment come in prior to this window, and we'd sold Stones for the same money, do you think that ALL of that (plus more) would have gone into paying for new players.

Or do you think some of it would mysteriously have disappeared?

An honest question.

 

[BlueToff]

Sorry, didn't realise.

I guess the most important thing in the long run is the new stadium progressing and at least now we have a good manager and support team in place. Hopefully it'll move forward quickly.

I've got a nasty feeling that a few of us are going to be a bit underwhelmed come the end of the window. Mostly due to all the hype about us having loads of money.

Having said that I still think the team will be much improved on last season due to signings and just having a competent manager who can motivate the players and employ good tactics will get us competing around the European places.

Hype drummed up by fans though, is my point. We've all been guilty of it but from an objective standpoint many fans of other clubs have been extremely impressed by our business this summer - and there is definitely still more to come

It's ridiculous how critical some on here are especially. It's genuine madness.

The team that we had now, on top form, is good enough to beat any side in the league - no question. Not many clubs in the league can say that.

We definitely need more quality and those additions will come.

There's been hardly any business in the last week or so in terms of the Prem. In fact, the only 'big' moves have been Bolasie to us and Benteke to Palace, while Watford have signed Kaboul and the lad from Napoli.

Stuff starts to heat up now. And I just don't get the panic. We're in a good position and the squad/coaching staff are already stronger now than they were at the end of the season.

 

[Goat]

Fair enough, take the share price out (as that was the first investment needed)

Just a question though mate, had no investment come in prior to this window, and we'd sold Stones for the same money, do you think that ALL of that (plus more) would have gone into paying for new players.

Or do you think some of it would mysteriously have disappeared?

An honest question.

I think you got the wrong impression, im very much pro-Moshiri, he will long term be the best thing thats happened to us, theres no doubt that was he not here the Summer would have been very different and I still believe we will spend a load of cash in the next week.

I just dont think its fair to add his share purchase on to "things hes done for Everton", its heavily rumoured hes paid off all the debts and ive always had the belief that the 100m kitty was a myth, I think Ronny was given a blank cheque, providing Stones was sold.

Theres a week left, if we dont make some serious moves my belief will shake a little, but its currently still there.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Witsel, Carvalho an Mata.......... lollollollollollollollollollollol




Remember they were ours...!!!

 

[roydo]

Witsel, Carvalho an Mata.......... lollollollollollollollollollollol




Remember they were ours...!!!

Bids accepted, players said no.

And?

 

[BlueToff]

I think you got the wrong impression, im very much pro-Moshiri, he will long term be the best thing thats happened to us, theres no doubt that was he not here the Summer would have been very different and I still believe we will spend a load of cash in the next week.

I just dont think its fair to add his share purchase on to "things hes done for Everton", its heavily rumoured hes paid off all the debts and im had the believe that the 100m kitty was a myth, I think Ronny was given a blank cheque, providing Stones was sold.

Theres a week left, if we dont make some serious moves my belief will shake a little, but its currently still there.

Agree with you on every point mate.

I know you're pro-Moshiri as well lad, but you're also balanced in your views.

I'm the same. I'm pro-Moshiri but never believed it was anything more than a large-scale investment in the club, but fans have bought into having 'round' figures to pluck from thin air, and the media duly provide them.

 

[bluestevon]

The inclusion of the share purchase is pushing it a little, the fact is, nobody has a real clue regarding the state of play with regards the clubs cash flow, things like Manager compo and player purchases defo comes out the clubs kitty, as for the land purchase its very much only hear say and who knows if the club also paid for that? Our accounts werent in bad shape, we posted a 28m profit last accounts if my memory serves me right, coupled with the 40-50m increase in Sky funds, plus 2 months in wages we saved with regards losing Howard et al.

As im just saying its wrong to imply Moshiri has spent a vast sum, when in reality its possible to do everything we have done this summer so far very much in the clubs own means.

On top of that mate would add the following

He spent 85m on buying 50% of the club - yeah but he owns that 50% now as an equity and not given it away to the fans like
Paid of club debts etc - all well and good, but those debts etc where factored in and affected the price he paid for the club - he'd have paid more for his shares should the club have been debt free for example, so really by paying off debts he has increased the value of his shares effectively - so yet again not a selfless act but rather one that icnreases the value of his company
Cladding costs etc - all about making the club more commercially friendly for any additional sponsors really - so again not anythign that doesnt increas ethe value of his company etc
Land purchase - if thats coming out of money for transfers etc, then sure as [Poor language removed] we are gonna be screwed when it comes to paying for the stadium as we are looking at 400m or so minimum that will go into the stadium rather than transfers - which would be an ominous portent as to future incomings and outgoings

 

[bluestevon]

Fair enough, take the share price out (as that was the first investment needed)

Just a question though mate, had no investment come in prior to this window, and we'd sold Stones for the same money, do you think that ALL of that (plus more) would have gone into paying for new players.

Or do you think some of it would mysteriously have disappeared?

An honest question.

That really sounds like your saying we should be grateful that we are spendign the money we raise through player sales mate, hardly the new dawn various people promised

Nothing will be the same etc etc

 

[Goat]

On top of that mate would add the following

He spent 85m on buying 50% of the club - yeah but he owns that 50% now as an equity and not given it away to the fans like
Paid of club debts etc - all well and good, but those debts etc where factored in and affected the price he paid for the club - he'd have paid more for his shares should the club have been debt free for example, so really by paying off debts he has increased the value of his shares effectively - so yet again not a selfless act but rather one that icnreases the value of his company
Cladding costs etc - all about making the club more commercially friendly for any additional sponsors really - so again not anythign that doesnt increas ethe value of his company etc
Land purchase - if thats coming out of money for transfers etc, then sure as [Poor language removed] we are gonna be screwed when it comes to paying for the stadium as we are looking at 400m or so minimum that will go into the stadium rather than transfers - which would be an ominous portent as to future incomings and outgoings

He will of course put his own interests first, but in growing his business, he improves our football club, so its very much win, win, as long as everything goes as I suspect!