Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[roydo]

No mate, a few top signings would have done that. Not players most have never heard of.....

But if they are good, and make the team better, and we do well this season, and get planning permission for a docklands stadium?

Be fine with me that.

 

[ToffeeTim]

So much for pogba

 

[Nydwen]

But if they are good, and make the team better, and we do well this season, and get planning permission for a docklands stadium?

Be fine with me that.

I smell we are about to annouce the stadium in the next few weeks, or is that the sewage plant sorry couldnt help myself

 

[ToffeeDoug]

From the article that @MoutsGoat posted

Despite what you may have heard, “net spend” is completely irrelevant to how big clubs do business and is not something they consider when calculating player costs. Consider the following: Manchester United signed Henrikh Mkhitaryan from Borussia Dortmund for £35m. Mkhitaryan will likely be earning the equivalent of at least £180,000 per week over the length of his four-year deal.

In practice, clubs such as United, for whom cash flow is never an issue, often pay the entire transfer fee up front or in a few instalments over a short period of time (less than 12 months). This helps reduce the overall cost of the transfer, and most selling clubs will much prefer to see the entire fee paid quickly, as opposed to several instalments over two or three years.

However, on the books – and this is how clubs actually calculate player costs – United, like every single other football club in Europe’s top eight leagues, will record the transfer fee as £8.75m in each of the next four years, not £35m now.

This is a universal accounting practice called player amortisation, and it is fundamental to how clubs calculate player costs. Rather than recording the entire purchase when it was made, the club will spread the transfer fee over the length of the player’s contract.

Naturally, wages must also be included in the calculation of player costs. Ideally, agent fees and image rights payments will be included as well, but to keep things simple, we’ll focus on the two big expenditures: amortisation and wages.

With Mkhitaryan costing Manchester United £8.75m per year in amortisation and £9.36m in wages (£180,000 per week multiplied by 52 weeks), his overall cost to the club is just over £18.1m per year. That £18.1m per year is what clubs look at with regards to player costs, not just the transfer fees coming in and out.

Let’s compare the Mkhitaryan deal to that of another recent Premier League signing from the Bundesliga: Arsenal’s £30m purchase of Granit Xhaka from Borussia Mönchengladbach. Xhaka signed a five-year deal and will reportedly earn around £125,000 per week at Arsenal. The transfer fee will be spread out over Xhaka’s contract at £6m per year (£30m divided evenly over five years). So including Xhaka’s wages, the overall cost to Arsenal is £12m per year.

While the transfer fees for Mkhitaryan and Xhaka are similar, Mkhitaryan is costing Manchester United 50% more than Xhaka is costing Arsenal on an annual basis.

To further illustrate why net spend doesn’t tell you anything about how clubs do business, consider United’s signing of Zlatan Ibrahimovic on a free transfer. While the “net spend” on that deal is zero, he adds well over £10m to Manchester United’s player costs this year.

If those were the only transactions United and Arsenal made this summer, their “net spend” figures would be similar (£35m and £30m, respectively). However, after applying the business and accounting principles that the clubs themselves use, we see that Arsenal added £12m to its total player costs for the coming season, while United added over £28m. Rather than a difference of less than 20% in actual spending (which is what net spend would show), the actual difference is over 200%.

So cashflow leaving a club is different to non-cash items booked to the P&L, e.g. an annual share of the depreciation, hardly re-inventing the accounting wheel here? It is no different to Man Utd buying a new minibus for the U-11s at £50k over 5 years.

 

[The Esk]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

 

[ijjysmith]

SIGN

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Tbh, I also expected this window to be massive in terms of restoring Everton to greatness again. Moshiri's vision and millions would see us take a massive leap towards the Premiership elite. Little bit naive in hindsight. I'm convinced that even Moshiri and the board thought it would be easier. Seems the Martinez years have seriously hurt us as club.

However, whatever happens in the last few days of this window, my faith in a golden future for this club stays intact. Yes, it's proven much more difficult (probably impossible) to attract the level of players we were aiming at. Still, a lot of good things happened since Moshiri took over. Club debts have been cleared, by I admit unconfirmed reports. We got the manager who was Moshiri's no 1 target. We got the DOF who was for a large part seen seen as the mastermind behind Leicester's rise to glory. And we're on the verge of announcing plans for a new stadium on the banks of the royal blue Mersey. A stadium which will make the kopites smell of envy. Don't worry about that sewage plant, that smell will overwhelm everything.

So, enough things to get excited about. We're on the road to restoring Everton to its former greatness. Might just take a few years longer than expected, but we'll get there eventually under the guidance of Moshiri and the help of Koeman and Walsh.

EVERTON ARE BACK!!!

 

[RaleighBlue]

Strikes me that we got a bit surprised by the 'no's'.

I do wonder if the move for Steve Walsh was a reaction to us not getting our first choices in a number of roles.

Original plan:
Monchi + Witsel/Mata/Carvalho

Monchi equivocates, Mata decides to try his luck with Jose, Witsel drags his feet...Carvalho just says no. So we realize that we're not offering ENOUGH money to overcome our current league position. That leaves us with two real options. 1) Offer utterly obscene wages or 2) change the whole strategy to turn this into a 'bridge' year to build sustainably.

Take option 2, go poach Walsh, turn to Prem proven high standard players - Ashley Williams, Bolasie, Gueye and start looking for cheaper deals. All of that being a way to climb the ladder this season and hope our money goes further next year.

If the above is true, it explains a lot about this summer. The initial excitement and heavy links, the ITK's all over the shop...the dragging of the first part of summer, then the complete about-face on the type of player we're linked with and the fact we seem to be leaving a lot of our business late - we wasted a month or two in the end because we reached too high.

If it's so, it's a little disappointing, of course, but it's promising that we're trying for that level. This sort of thing takes time. I'd rather us reposition for a lower target (europe and better luck with signings next summer) rather than just blow money to blow money.

 

[Goat]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

Uh oh.

@Brownie

THE STROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

 

[everton2004]

Tbh, I also expected this window to be massive in terms of restoring Everton to greatness again. Moshiri's vision and millions would see us take a massive leap towards the Premiership elite. Little bit naive in hindsight. I'm convinced that even Moshiri and the board thought it would be easier. Seems the Martinez years have seriously hurt us as club.

However, whatever happens in the last few days of this window, my faith in a golden future for this club stays intact. Yes, it's proven much more difficult (probably impossible) to attract the level of players we were aiming at. Still, a lot of good things happened since Moshiri took over. Club debts have been cleared, by I admit unconfirmed reports. We got the manager who was Moshiri's no 1 target, we got the DOF who was for a large part seen seen as the mastermind behind Leicester's rise to glory. And we're on the verge of announcing plans for a new stadium on the banks of the royal blue Mersey. A stadium which will make the kopites smell of envy. Don't worry about that sewage plant, that smell will overwhelm everything.

So, enough things to get excited about. We're on the road to restoring Everton to its former greatness. Might just take a few years longer than expected, but we'll get there eventually under the guidance of Moshiri and the help of Koeman and Walsh.

EVERTON ARE BACK!!!

This 100%. Nice post sir

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

Is Koeman not a fan of the boy Cleverley mate? Be surprised to see McCarthy go too I have to say, he's used him a fair bit so far.

 

[Great Dane]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

Great news even if I would prefer McC to stay - are our forward targets any of those names mentioned in the press in the last few days?
Which one of the midfield targets is most likely?
Thanks for sharing

 

[roydo]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

FFS mate. Just off to eat supper.

 

[marsh]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

No mata?

 

[ToffeeDoug]

An update from afar:

Am still expecting Hart on loan
Am expecting Kone to complete
I think we'll create a surprise and probably sign one of our earlier midfield targets (we're still active here).
We'll sign another forward.
We are actively pursuing other targets on Walsh's list - who they are I do not know, Walsh plays cards v close to his chest.

In all 4 possibly 5 additions.

Out:
McCarthy
McGeady
Niasse
Kone assuming incoming striker
Cleverley

Interest re-awakened!

Hard to know what level we pitch the striker quest at; a big star will not want to sit on the bench but they have to be sufficiently good to deputise if necessary for Lukaku and put genuine pressure upon his position in the team.