Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Archie Knox]

Absolutely made up that Carlo sees the issue in the squad is with the midfield and will try to fix it as soon as the window is opened. Out with the poo, in with the new.

 

[blue to the bone]

If we sold dcl for the 200 million he is now worth how would that help with ffp .
Bought him for 1.5 million didnt we !

 

[Papa Shango]

Barkley is at his peak. He'd be dominant here now, whereas he's still overawed at Chelsea.

Hickey is a cert to be playing in the top flight of English football. 17 years of age and plays as cool as you like. Another - dare I say it - Hansen.

I don't know about that. Barkley has a lot of good attributes but he also has a lot of flaws. Ideally we get a player who can do all Barkleys good stuff and much more. We need to be staying away from specialists I reckon like players who all of a sudden cant seem to kick a ball if they are moved 10 yards back down the pitch (Sigurdsson for example).

I shall keep an eye out for Hickey then, I was aware of his name but didn't know he was highly regarded. he could be the next Gary Naismith!

 

[Brisan123]

Barkley had a very Barkley game really. He has enormous ability but there are clearly holes in his game which will likely never be fully ironed out. The question is do you take the good with the bad?

What I will say though, is I see a lot of people going on about Madisson, Grealish, before that Loftus Cheek, we've seen them all and I doubt any of them can score the goal Barkley does last night. It's world class. He take the ball, carries it 50 yards, goes past players and bamboozles 3 defenders ahead of him who have no idea what he's doing. He then almost reaches a dead end and so slams a rocket of a shot into the bottom corner.

The thing for Barkley is, he almost did it by accident. He missed 2 good opportunities to pass, and as I said above he almost seems to smash it in as an afterthought.

I think that is probably what has held Barkley back from being what Wayne Rooney was (who in my opinion is the best post war British player). Rooney was far more in control of his actions and had thought them through better so could utilise them. If Ross had that same ability I think we'd be talking about a player in the same breath as we did Rooney, as Englands best player by some distance.

Centring it back to Everton though, I always feel some sadness with Barkley leaving. I know lots are angry towards him and I understand that but I don't feel that. I think there is fault on all parts. I think Ross is probably not the most sensible lad in terms of decisions he's made. However I think Koeman has to take a lot of the blame and to a degree Walsh does for not taking control of the situation.

Walsh should have just signed the lad to a long term deal the summer he arrived. Forget what the manager says, get the lad signed down. We seemed to dither and I don't think he ever really stood up to Koeman. There's a wider argument about whether a DOF should be able to do that, but in some instances I think he has to protect the value of the player for the club. (As a slight aside, it's pleasing to see Brands tie down Richarlinson and Holgate to long term deals).

Barkley would still walk into our team. He could do what Sigurdsson was asked to do last week, or even off the right in a 4-4-2 easily. He'd power past people which we lack. A bit like Gomes who already looks better in a better team I think Ross would have really suited having Calvert Lewin and Richarlinson ahead of him with Gomes behind him.

Problem is for most of that run Barkley was in the same position as the 3 defenders regarding his thought process

 

[CRIMHEAD]

So Ross Barkley goes forward and actually scores once instead of pulling the ball back and trying to be some elegant playmaker, yet now he's the solution to all our problems? He's done. Toast.

There's no way anyone that has watch him play over the past years thinks that. He rarely takes anyone anymore. He's one of the softest players in the league. He played one of the worst games in a Chelsea kit last week and now he's the solution to all our problems? Andre Gomes, who I don't even like that much, is MUCH more aggressive and effective holding the ball and taking players on.

 

[firefighterblue]

Finally, Everton are looking to bolster their midfield options in the summer, with Carlo Ancelotti displeased by the lack of energy, aside from language issues. Espanyol’s Marc Roca and Toulouse’s Ibrahim Sangaré are two names that have been mentioned. Roca would be available for a lower fee should they be relegated this season, but Sangaré could cost upwards of €30m.

Are they any good?

 

[catcherintherye]

Problem is for most of that run Barkley was in the same position as the 3 defenders regarding his thought process

Yes I think thats true actually. I don't think he knows really what he's doing next and so it makes him unpredictable. However he dribbles with his head up which is quite rare. Watch the goal back and see where Fabinho ends up. They've got no idea what he's doing.

I think in essence this is what differentiates him from Rooney having seen them both. Both have enormous natural gifts travelling with the ball, but one knew how to utilise it much better.

 

[davek]

Barkley had a very Barkley game really. He has enormous ability but there are clearly holes in his game which will likely never be fully ironed out. The question is do you take the good with the bad?

What I will say though, is I see a lot of people going on about Madisson, Grealish, before that Loftus Cheek, we've seen them all and I doubt any of them can score the goal Barkley does last night. It's world class. He take the ball, carries it 50 yards, goes past players and bamboozles 3 defenders ahead of him who have no idea what he's doing. He then almost reaches a dead end and so slams a rocket of a shot into the bottom corner.

The thing for Barkley is, he almost did it by accident. He missed 2 good opportunities to pass, and as I said above he almost seems to smash it in as an afterthought.

I think that is probably what has held Barkley back from being what Wayne Rooney was (who in my opinion is the best post war British player). Rooney was far more in control of his actions and had thought them through better so could utilise them. If Ross had that same ability I think we'd be talking about a player in the same breath as we did Rooney, as Englands best player by some distance.

Centring it back to Everton though, I always feel some sadness with Barkley leaving. I know lots are angry towards him and I understand that but I don't feel that. I think there is fault on all parts. I think Ross is probably not the most sensible lad in terms of decisions he's made. However I think Koeman has to take a lot of the blame and to a degree Walsh does for not taking control of the situation.

Walsh should have just signed the lad to a long term deal the summer he arrived. Forget what the manager says, get the lad signed down. We seemed to dither and I don't think he ever really stood up to Koeman. There's a wider argument about whether a DOF should be able to do that, but in some instances I think he has to protect the value of the player for the club. (As a slight aside, it's pleasing to see Brands tie down Richarlinson and Holgate to long term deals).

Barkley would still walk into our team. He could do what Sigurdsson was asked to do last week, or even off the right in a 4-4-2 easily. He'd power past people which we lack. A bit like Gomes who already looks better in a better team I think Ross would have really suited having Calvert Lewin and Richarlinson ahead of him with Gomes behind him.

Absolutley spot on mate. Great appraisal of the situation. Barkley's problems as you outline them are certainly there, but the plusses do outweigh the minuses. And the scenario which saw him leave was exactly the way you describe it. It shouldn't have happened, but it did.

He's very talented, but instinctive. I think we can afford to have that in this team. It needs a spark from midfield; a player that can play in a central position and push on to the edge of the opposition box. Our attacks come way too regularly from the flanks right now and we are a predictable attacking outfit. RB would offer us a real option.

 

[catcherintherye]

Absolutley spot on mate. Great appraisal of the situation. Barkley's problems as you outline them are certainly there, but the plusses do outweigh the minuses. And the scenario which saw him leave was exactly the way you describe it. It shouldn't have happened, but it did.

He's very talented, but instinctive. I think we can afford to have that in this team. It needs a spark from midfield; a player that can play in a central position and push on to the edge of the opposition box. Our attacks come way too regularly from the flanks right now and we are a predictable attacking outfit. RB would offer us a real option.

I suppose I've become quite pragmatic re players over time. You could call it unprincipled. In all honesty I don't think there's much loyalty in football anymore, at any level and overall I think the game is much worse for it but thats the game we are in currently. A strong DOF would have ascertained whether he would sign an extension the summer they arrived, and if he wouldn't would have moved him on. Brands got some stick for doing this with Lookman, but he had no choice. And if you allow a contract to wind down, from 2 years in the value of the player is only going one way.

What Barkley did to Everton was really poor too. But I am beyond making moral arguments about who should or shouldn't stay. I have no doubt Tom Davies and Jon Jo Kenny love the club too, but neither will probably be good enough to stay and they get cut very little slack from the fans. So it works both ways.

I think Barkley fits the profile of player we are trying to sign. Not too old (he's what 26), coming into their prime who have ultimately flopped at a top club. I think this is pretty smart recruitment from Everton so I can't by hypocritical about it. That he knows the club and area would probably help him.

We'd all want Jack Grealish, but who's to say if Grealish went to Chelsea he'd not suffer the same fate?

So yes I'd take him back if the deal was right for the club, albeit with some reservations.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

I suppose I've become quite pragmatic re players over time. You could call it unprincipled. In all honesty I don't think there's much loyalty in football anymore, at any level and overall I think the game is much worse for it but thats the game we are in currently. A strong DOF would have ascertained whether he would sign an extension the summer they arrived, and if he wouldn't would have moved him on. Brands got some stick for doing this with Lookman, but he had no choice. And if you allow a contract to wind down, from 2 years in the value of the player is only going one way.

What Barkley did to Everton was really poor too. But I am beyond making moral arguments about who should or shouldn't stay. I have no doubt Tom Davies and Jon Jo Kenny love the club too, but neither will probably be good enough to stay and they get cut very little slack from the fans. So it works both ways.

I think Barkley fits the profile of player we are trying to sign. Not too old (he's what 26), coming into their prime who have ultimately flopped at a top club. I think this is pretty smart recruitment from Everton so I can't by hypocritical about it. That he knows the club and area would probably help him.

We'd all want Jack Grealish, but who's to say if Grealish went to Chelsea he'd not suffer the same fate?

So yes I'd take him back if the deal was right for the club, albeit with some reservations.

I don't, because he's just not very good. I'm not sure what you all suddenly see in his game that makes you think he would help us at all. He's not playing much for Chelsea for a reason. His prime was years ago. You can forget the player he was at Everton, he's a completely different player now.

 

[Goat]

I don't, because he's just not very good. I'm not sure what you all suddenly see in his game that makes you think he would help us at all. He's not playing much for Chelsea for a reason. His prime was years ago. You can forget the player he was at Everton, he's a completely different player now.

He stinks, really badly.

 

[davek]

I suppose I've become quite pragmatic re players over time. You could call it unprincipled. In all honesty I don't think there's much loyalty in football anymore, at any level and overall I think the game is much worse for it but thats the game we are in currently. A strong DOF would have ascertained whether he would sign an extension the summer they arrived, and if he wouldn't would have moved him on. Brands got some stick for doing this with Lookman, but he had no choice. And if you allow a contract to wind down, from 2 years in the value of the player is only going one way.

What Barkley did to Everton was really poor too. But I am beyond making moral arguments about who should or shouldn't stay. I have no doubt Tom Davies and Jon Jo Kenny love the club too, but neither will probably be good enough to stay and they get cut very little slack from the fans. So it works both ways.

I think Barkley fits the profile of player we are trying to sign. Not too old (he's what 26), coming into their prime who have ultimately flopped at a top club. I think this is pretty smart recruitment from Everton so I can't by hypocritical about it. That he knows the club and area would probably help him.

We'd all want Jack Grealish, but who's to say if Grealish went to Chelsea he'd not suffer the same fate?

So yes I'd take him back if the deal was right for the club, albeit with some reservations.

Again, spot on. Precisely how I feel.

He will be available in the summer, I'm sure. Ancelotti has said in the past how much he liked what Lampard brought to the Chelsea team he managed, with strong running from midfield and goals. He can see we miss some explosive quality from the middle. I'd be made up if he went to Chelsea and brought Barkley back.

 

[Goat]

Again, spot on. Precisely how I feel.

He will be available in the summer, I'm sure. Ancelotti has said in the past how much he liked what Lampard brought to the Chelsea team he managed, with strong running from midfield and goals. He can see we miss some explosive quality from the middle. I'd be made up if he went to Chelsea and brought Barkley back.

I can tell you right now without any doubt Marcel Brands wouldnt touch Barkley even on a free.

Cos he understands football.

 

[catcherintherye]

Again, spot on. Precisely how I feel.

He will be available in the summer, I'm sure. Ancelotti has said in the past how much he liked what Lampard brought to the Chelsea team he managed, with strong running from midfield and goals. He can see we miss some explosive quality from the middle. I'd be made up if he went to Chelsea and brought Barkley back.

The one caveat to this though Dave, is that Lampard may want to keep him.

 

[catcherintherye]

I don't, because he's just not very good. I'm not sure what you all suddenly see in his game that makes you think he would help us at all. He's not playing much for Chelsea for a reason. His prime was years ago. You can forget the player he was at Everton, he's a completely different player now.

Why do you think he's declined so much mate? I still see the same inconsistent but talented footballer that left.

He hasn't played much, because he remains inconsistent, and he's joined a side who will likely finish in the top 4 and top 3 of the league and he's not quite at that level.