Match Thread Everton 2-2 Ipswich. Sat May 3rd. 3pm

[Bilbo]

Aside from Delap, which other players have "signed the wall"?

I assume there has others?

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Aside from Delap, which other players have "signed the wall"?

I assume there has others?

Godfrey signed it as well on the same day I believe

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I still think ours is one of the worst out of a bad bunch. It's amazing you can hear Moyes barking out instructions most games when there's 40k people in there.

To be fair, years of predictable failures has damaged atmosphere, but at same time in Martinezs 1st season the atmosphere at GP wasn't great. I think problem is that while the organized attempts to create an atmosphere that started in 2022, helped us at that time. I think a lot of spontaneous support has been left at wayside. With all due respect to 1878s, nobody needed to tell us in 2019, to create a deafening atmosphere against RS. But I think fans have become too focused on creating an atmosphere when they've been told to, rather than just creating spontaneous atmosphere.

 

[dannyboy]

To be fair, years of predictable failures has damaged atmosphere, but at same time in Martinezs 1st season the atmosphere at GP wasn't great. I think problem is that while the organized attempts to create an atmosphere that started in 2022, helped us at that time. I think a lot of spontaneous support has been left at wayside. With all due respect to 1878s, nobody needed to tell us in 2019, to create a deafening atmosphere against RS. But I think fans have become too focused on creating an atmosphere when they've been told to, rather than just creating spontaneous atmosphere.

I don't get to that many games now but when I do go it feels like a very different crowd to the early 2000s. The majority of fans seem content to sit in silence for the majority of the 90 minutes.

It'll be interesting to see how things change if the team improves next season. On those dark winter afternoons we'll need the crowd to make the difference when we get teams pinned back. Sad to say right now I don't think we've got it in us.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I don't get to that many games now but when I do go it feels like a very different crowd to the early 2000s. The majority of fans seem content to sit in silence for the majority of the 90 minutes.

It'll be interesting to see how things change if the team improves next season. On those dark winter afternoons we'll need the crowd to make the difference when we get teams pinned back. Sad to say right now I don't think we've got it in us.

I agree even a different crowd to 10 years ago in my opinion. Everton deciding to sell ludicrous amounts of season tickets to people who for some reason had no interest in season ticket, which has created ridiculous demand for tickets has played a huge role in atmosphere decreasing. So fans don't have choice where they sit, so you get people in Lower Gwladys Street who have no interest in chanting. Also our match going support has become a bit too cliquey, look at Fulham quarter final last season, atmosphere was appalling. You have this new "super bloo" type that didn't exist before 2016, who are more interested in just standing there talking nonsense than actually supporting team. It's why atmosphere at Anfield has been crap for years, because it's same people week in week out, and they only get up for a game is it's a big game. It's been noticeable that when away tickets have been easier to get such as City in 2022, Brighton 2023 that Chelsea 2021 atmosphere was great at those games. Sometimes you need people who don't normally go, who are more up for it, rather than fans who just stand there in silence.

 

[dannyboy]

I agree even a different crowd to 10 years ago in my opinion. Everton deciding to sell ludicrous amounts of season tickets to people who for some reason had no interest in season ticket, which has created ridiculous demand for tickets has played a huge role in atmosphere decreasing. So fans don't have choice where they sit, so you get people in Lower Gwladys Street who have no interest in chanting. Also our match going support has become a bit too cliquey, look at Fulham quarter final last season, atmosphere was appalling. You have this new "super bloo" type that didn't exist before 2016, who are more interested in just standing there talking nonsense than actually supporting team. It's why atmosphere at Anfield has been crap for years, because it's same people week in week out, and they only get up for a game is it's a big game. It's been noticeable that when away tickets have been easier to get such as City in 2022, Brighton 2023 that Chelsea 2021 atmosphere was great at those games. Sometimes you need people who don't normally go, who are more up for it, rather than fans who just stand there in silence.

Very good points mate. Whether we were good, bad or anything in between our average attendance always seemed to be about 36k. Suddenly, that huge influx arrived around 2017 and I feel like it did contain a lot of people who didn't grow up with going the game.
Purely anecdotal all this of course but just compare the reaction of the Street End to Tarkowski's equaliser this season with Ferguson's winner against United in 2005. Hell of a difference.

 

[Lanolin]

Very good points mate. Whether we were good, bad or anything in between our average attendance always seemed to be about 36k. Suddenly, that huge influx arrived around 2017 and I feel like it did contain a lot of people who didn't grow up with going the game.
Purely anecdotal all this of course but just compare the reaction of the Street End to Tarkowski's equaliser this season with Ferguson's winner against United in 2005. Hell of a difference.

The Tarkowski celebration was right up there with any i've seen in 30 years of going to the game every week, I ended up about 5 rows away from where I started.

I've said before, it's hard to maintain good atmospheres when there's nothing riding on games. Some of the atmospheres towards the end of the last couple of seasons when we've needed the points have been fantastic, but it's genuinely quite difficult to care about whether we get a winner against Ipswich to make 14th more likely than 15th.

 

[Jacko93]

I agree even a different crowd to 10 years ago in my opinion. Everton deciding to sell ludicrous amounts of season tickets to people who for some reason had no interest in season ticket, which has created ridiculous demand for tickets has played a huge role in atmosphere decreasing. So fans don't have choice where they sit, so you get people in Lower Gwladys Street who have no interest in chanting. Also our match going support has become a bit too cliquey, look at Fulham quarter final last season, atmosphere was appalling. You have this new "super bloo" type that didn't exist before 2016, who are more interested in just standing there talking nonsense than actually supporting team. It's why atmosphere at Anfield has been crap for years, because it's same people week in week out, and they only get up for a game is it's a big game. It's been noticeable that when away tickets have been easier to get such as City in 2022, Brighton 2023 that Chelsea 2021 atmosphere was great at those games. Sometimes you need people who don't normally go, who are more up for it, rather than fans who just stand there in silence.

Tbf, the likes of the quarter final against Fulham is more likely to be the one with least STH attending, so if those atmospheres are worse there, then you should be thanking the STH for maintaining even some sort of level of atmosphere.

The biggest issue is that this has been our longest drought in history, the longest period of being absolutely jarg. The people who have no experience of us winning anything are starting to outnumber those who do, and those that do are hardly the ultras, at least not anymore.

If we won just one trophy, I believe that the supporters would feel more united, expectation amd standards would be raised on amd off the pitch, and atmosphere would improve all round.

However, the down side is that tickets would be even more scarce and prices would rise alongside demand

 

[JelavicBrate2]

Tbf, the likes of the quarter final against Fulham is more likely to be the one with least STH attending, so if those atmospheres are worse there, then you should be thanking the STH for maintaining even some sort of level of atmosphere.

The biggest issue is that this has been our longest drought in history, the longest period of being absolutely jarg. The people who have no experience of us winning anything are starting to outnumber those who do, and those that do are hardly the ultras, at least not anymore.

If we won just one trophy, I believe that the supporters would feel more united, expectation amd standards would be raised on amd off the pitch, and atmosphere would improve all round.

However, the down side is that tickets would be even more scarce and prices would rise alongside demand

I think it's a variety of things we are so used to failure, to RS in 2012, Wigan in 2013, Kiev in 2015, 2 semi final defeats in 2016, a variety of other debacles losing derbies in last minute and so on and so forth. We are just waiting for next eff up. It doesn't help that Everton being geniuses gave away fans, part of the ground that easiest to create atmosphere.

 

[dannyboy]

The Tarkowski celebration was right up there with any i've seen in 30 years of going to the game every week, I ended up about 5 rows away from where I started.

I've said before, it's hard to maintain good atmospheres when there's nothing riding on games. Some of the atmospheres towards the end of the last couple of seasons when we've needed the points have been fantastic, but it's genuinely quite difficult to care about whether we get a winner against Ipswich to make 14th more likely than 15th.

I'm sure the celebrations were great but look at the difference between the Gwladys Street in Ferguson's winner and Tarkowski's this year. Probably down to everyone being older and not being able to jump up like they used to

 

[Benicetoourboys]

I'm sure the celebrations were great but look at the difference between the Gwladys Street in Ferguson's winner and Tarkowski's this year. Probably down to everyone being older and not being able to jump up like they used to

I still stood on my seat when Tarkowski scored. I've seen loads good & bad but knowing that they wouldn't beat us in the last Goodison Derby was one of the best moments of my life. I sing & shout every game & always will.

 

[maccavennie]

Godfrey signed it as well on the same day I believe

That's devalued the house by a few grand then