Everton Youth Teams Thread


Stephenlloyd said:
I WATCHED Everton’s Under-12 and Under-15 teams in action at the weekend.

I WATCHED Everton’s Under-12 and Under-15 teams in action at the weekend.

Apart from learning that the future of the club looks very, very bright – the Under-12s won 5-0 and the Under-15s beat Liverpool 3-1 – I also spotted what may be the second best player ever to come out of Doncaster to play for the Blues!



Bobby Carroll is a midfielder who is actually playing a year ahead of his age group at the moment – and is still sparkling.

Keep an eye out for him and remember where you heard his name first.

This was from the echo in November 12. By Ian snodin

The under 15's are probably most of our under 23's now and Tom Davies?
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If anyone is interested, they don't advertise this but it's Everton vs Liverpool at all younger age groups up to under 16s this week.

Half the games will be at Finch Farm (i.e. u11s, 13s, 15s) and the other half will be at there academy in Kirkby. Anyone can go in if you go along.
 
Jags..class said:
Thanks it seems that city will be taking the best kids from the north. But it will be the same situation at Chelsea. Hard to break through due to buying world class players
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I know a lot about both these academies, they're both massively different but City aren't yet taking all the best kids form the north in the early years. The are watching them develop at other clubs and then buying them up.

For example I know United beat City at Under 10s and 11's level this year and Everton have just won the National futsal under 10s title.

It's the later years were they have done there poaching that they seem to be stronger.
 
boris said:
I know a lot about both these academies, they're both massively different but City aren't yet taking all the best kids form the north in the early years. The are watching them develop at other clubs and then buying them up.

For example I know United beat City at Under 10s and 11's level this year and Everton have just won the National futsal under 10s title.

It's the later years were they have done there poaching that they seem to be stronger.
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if you don't mind me asking Boris, are you a coach as well mate or connected to the academy in some way? Just asking as I know from your posting history you've got a good insight into some players and certain academies like City's who you've mentioned previously
 
It's a really interesting article about City and United. Just to echo what a few lads have said.

City are hammering all the academies accross the North West. Though completely unethical the deal with St Bedes has made a huge difference. They dominate Manchester. They are also starting to encroach onto Merseyside with increasing success. I know a lad who may 16 now they got from Huyton who was highly thought of. They also took our best player in I think the current under 16s (may be 17s though).

It has affected us a fair bit. Mainly because we are the dominant force in Liverpool, Liverpool FC have a very different model and have done for 15 years. There operation is as meek as Uniteds now is in Manchester. However City's encroaching onto Merseyside has just meant they get hammered by two teams not 1 now.

How Everton respond will be interesting. I wonder if you will see teams try to keep a relationship and then go in for players later on? Similar to what we were trying to do with their centre half.

The reality is that City have a poor record of bringing players through. There were two derisory comments from employees who work for them. They were basically "even Everton and Burnley bring more through than us". The subtext was, even no Mark clubs can get players through.

This irked me on a couple of levels. Firstly the comparison to Burnley is ridiculous. Everton are streets ahead of them. Secondly it minimised what we do in giving players a chance. We are by far and away the most successful at granting young players premier league game time.

The final point that irked me though, re enforced by the article was that Everton don't get great results. We have finished 2nd 2nd 1st the last 3 seasons in the league. Nobody comes closets that level of consistency.

The middle season of the 3 we were 1 win away from being consecutive champions. However we didn't play our best under 18s players at all. Walsh, Dowell, Kenny, Ledson, Davies, Connolly all didn't play the last game of the season when eligible. Last season a number on those still eligible for the under 18s played with the first team. City will say they promote the best players and I'm sure they do, but not to the extent Everton do.

Those lads mentioned above who had that record at under 18s are now dominating the under 23s (again omitted from the article) or starring for the first team.

It's a slight tangent but it gives an insight into some of the arrogance of some involved with City's academy.

I know another poster questioned me on this and I forgot their name. They know more than me and it's a shame they didn't give that much detail. However Everton had always remained very strong at younger ages. One of our old under 9 coaches I knew now works in a very senior position in US football for example.

However City are waiting until they are 12/13 and picking the best players up. I am not sure how severe it is but they have managed it with at least one player over the last two years, and are getting lads from areas like Huyton which would have been unheard of 10 years ago. It would have been unheard of even during the high point of United in the years around the class of 92.

As said though different teams respond differently. United don't worry about results. They don't even give them positions. Just stick lads out there and let them
sort it out. Liverpool are similar to this. We are more in the middle. Yet despite the dominance United have still brought more lads through than City.

We will see. I don't know how worried the club are. Hopefully ploughing more money in will help. I also think the entering for these lads post 18 after the school period ends is no bad idea. If this was a central motivator (which in many cases it will be) once they've done their A levels then they may be more open to moving. I think you will see lots of clubs beginning to target City in that way.
 

Jags..class said:
Thanks it seems that city will be taking the best kids from the north. But it will be the same situation at Chelsea. Hard to break through due to buying world class players
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It's not even that City are buying world class players though, they have 2 maybe 3, the rest are a combinagion of good and very good players. The main problem is that the owners expect immediate results so managers like Pep would rtaher spend 20-30 mil or more on a proven player that take a risk on a younger player. Any kid making a breakthrough now has to be expectionally talented but also mentally strong enough, there is no hiding place and very few managers are putting an arm around their shoulder and giving them time to make the step up. Look at the kids we've had come through this season, Davies, Holgate, Lookman and DCL, all have immediately taken their chance. It's possibly why Koeman singled out Oennington as the next to maybe step upo rather than Dowell who has mor eobvious natural ability.

These kids and their families need to be very aware of the career moves they make, whilst its great to be at a top academy from an early age they need to play mens football before they hit 20 to have any real chance of making it, they also to be at a club where there is a chacne of progression. Us and Spurs are the two that stick out in the top half of the although both clubs have made apoint of recruiting young players who have made appearances lower down the footballing pyramid. Utd still have a decent record of bringing kids through but City and Chelsea are doing nothing. Even those players who have been on loan in the Premier League or in top fliht football in other countries are struggling to get any game time at these clubs
 
@catcherintherye

Good post but feel the need to correct one point you made there about them being disrespectful of our academy. This is the quote:

“At City they can’t show that heritage. I’m not saying it won’t happen – it will, because of the money they’re investing – but it’ll take a long time to replicate what others have done. Everton’s academy is more successful than City’s at the moment. So is Burnley’s.”

I personally don't see anything derisory said here's. He's basically saying that as good as City have it and will have it they're currently behind us and behind Burnley. I saw it more as an appreciation of our two academies.
 
Nymzee said:
@catcherintherye

Good post but feel the need to correct one point you made there about them being disrespectful of our academy. This is the quote:

“At City they can’t show that heritage. I’m not saying it won’t happen – it will, because of the money they’re investing – but it’ll take a long time to replicate what others have done. Everton’s academy is more successful than City’s at the moment. So is Burnley’s.”

I personally don't see anything derisory said here's. He's basically saying that as good as City have it and will have it they're currently behind us and behind Burnley. I saw it more as an appreciation of our two academies.
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burnleys academy is crap though!
 

Nymzee said:
@catcherintherye

Good post but feel the need to correct one point you made there about them being disrespectful of our academy. This is the quote:

“At City they can’t show that heritage. I’m not saying it won’t happen – it will, because of the money they’re investing – but it’ll take a long time to replicate what others have done. Everton’s academy is more successful than City’s at the moment. So is Burnley’s.”

I personally don't see anything derisory said here's. He's basically saying that as good as City have it and will have it they're currently behind us and behind Burnley. I saw it more as an appreciation of our two academies.
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You could see it that way mate. I read it as a back handed compliment. The wider discussion was about City not bringing many through despite superior players. It sounded to me almost like "Everton and Burnley have crapper players than us and still get the starts" in the first team. I suppose it was that feeling I felt the need to correct.
 
catcherintherye said:
You could see it that way mate. I read it as a back handed compliment. The wider discussion was about City not bringing many through despite superior players. It sounded to me almost like "Everton and Burnley have crapper players than us and still get the starts" in the first team. I suppose it was that feeling I felt the need to correct.
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Hmm agree to disagree there for once. Thought more he was just showing how far City still have left to go to be classed as a successful academy. All the money and tutoring and facilities but none of the success stories yet.
 

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