Glasgow/Merseyside?

[GlasgowBlue]

Hi all, just new to this site so I apologise if this thread has already been produced. As a Glasgow Rangers fan, I have often been quizzed about why I support Everton also, as they are the "Catholic/Celtic" team in Liverpool, though I can never buy into that sectarian b*lls*it that is so prevalent in our Derby games. Yet, to me anyway, it always seemed as if there was more in common between the blue halves of both Glasgow and Liverpool. Most Celtic fans I know prefer Liverpool or Man United ( the deluded [Poor language removed] ). For example, the seemingly constant trading of players from Alex Stevenson all the way through to Nikica Jelavic and Steven Naismith, whereas Celtic and Liverpool share YNWA, Kenny Dalglish etc.

Really, I was just wondering what you true Evertonians thought. Obviously, you can help settle this "debate" as you know first hand, through match-day experiences etc as I've only been to two Everton games. I know about the Royal Blue Mersey song and how it says, "To hell with Liverpool and Rangers too," but I didn't know if that still reflected the true thoughts of most Evertonians. So, I'd like your opinions please guys! Is it Everton/Rangers or Everton/Celtic? As stated, I'd always been led to believe that Celtic and Liverpool were the true connection, so naturally assumed that Everton and Rangers were linked. But, anyway, your thoughts please guys?

KEEP BLUE AND CARRY ON

 

[AdamEFC]

First of all welcome to GOT

I personally prefer Celtic to Rangers but that is due to some of my family supporting them.

 

[Azzurri]

Traditionally it has been Everton = Catholic and Liverpool = Protestant therefore Everton - Celtic, Liverpool - Rangers but no one's been arsed for at least 20 years.

I'd probably say there's more Catholic Everton fans in comparison to Catholic Liverpool fans on Merseyside, though, based on the areas of the City that are more blue or more red and more Catholic or more Protestant, but that's just coincidence really.

In the past there's been half Everton/Celtic bobble hats and you mentioned the anti-Rangers line in 'Royal Blue Mersey' but that's just tradition now.

I think most Everton fans, as with most football fans in general, would just prefer both halves of the Old Firm rivalry to koff, really.

 

[noharmdone]

Mate, I took a Rangers mate of mine to Goodison a few years ago during military leave. He couldnt believe we had a church in the corner of the ground !! I know all the songs from both sides of Glasgow and I have always been treated well up there, really well by a Celtic lad I never met before on the way to Faslane once, class act, and why you always have brown box of beer on a train is beyond me !
I remember the half Celtic / half Everton bobble hats as a kid, and Im sure Liverpool had half Rangers ?
Different strokes for different folks I reckon..

 

[malfosse]

I've always preferred Rangers because they play in Blue, but don't mind Celtic, because I liked the fact they never used to have numbers on the back of their shirts.

 

[Animal Farm]

Traditionally it has been Everton = Catholic and Liverpool = protestant

I don't know how true this is?

St Domingos was a methodist parish, and therefore protestant in its ethos.

Other than a relatively new song, and a few bobble hats, is there any real evidence that Everton has been in any way associated with Celtic, Rangers, catholics or protestants?

The general consensus is that nobody has ever been arsed enough to give enough of a shit about all that bollocks.

There's no doubting that there was sectarian violence in Liverpool within the first half of the 20th century, but I've found little evidence to suggest that a dichotomy was created between Everton and Liverpool in this regard.

If there was then I stand to be corrected.

 

[RFUS]

I don't think it's prevalent or indeed relevant over here mate. At least not these days -- it may have been before my time.

 

[Azzurri]

I don't know how true this is?

St Domingos was a methodist parish, and therefore protestant in its ethos.

Other than a relatively new song, and a few bobble hats, is there any real evidence that Everton has been in any way associated with Celtic, Rangers, catholics or protestants?

The general consensus is that nobody has ever been arsed enough to give enough of a shit about all that bollocks.

There's no doubting that there was sectarian violence in Liverpool within the first half of the 20th century, but I've found little evidence to suggest that a dichotomy was created between Everton and Liverpool in this regard.

If there was then I stand to be corrected.

Half our team in the 50s was Irish so with the mass immigration of Irish lids like my Grandparents we became their team of choice and therefore Liverpool were seen as Protestant even though they were probably neither. This carried on for a good couple of decades until it faded away bar a few traditions. I may be wrong like but dunno.

It's nothing to do with St Domingos, the church, the founders of the club or anything official, though. It was always a fan thing.

 

[Dublintoff]

The link with Everton and Rangers players is b*ll**** anyway, i mean rangers have traded plenty of times with the Red ****e aswell. Souness is probably as big a rangers man as there is as far as im aware and he was also a legendary RS player before his reputation dropped a bit after his tenure as manager. Walters, Spackman, Wilson are just a few others off the top of my head.

Im Celtic anyway but i dont believe there is any real linking of either Us or the RS with celtic or rangers.

 

[RFUS]

The link with Everton and Rangers players is b*ll**** anyway, i mean rangers have traded plenty of times with the Red ****e aswell. Souness is probably as big a rangers man as there is as far as im aware and he was also a legendary RS player before his reputation dropped a bit after his tenure as manager. Walters, Spackman, Wilson are just a few others off the top of my head.

Im Celtic anyway but i dont believe there is any real linking of either Us or the RS with celtic or rangers.

To be honest mate I don't see us as having a real link with any other club, bar maybe the Chilean Everton.

 

[BoysInBlue]

In the mid to late 1980s, when bobble hats/cornish pasty hats were all the rage, they used to produce half Everton/half Celtic hats, which were sold outside the ground. I never saw any half Everton/half Rangers hats, so I always assumed that there was always more of link between Everton and Celtic than Everton and Rangers.

That said, in the last 20+ years, with the sheer amount of manager/players exchanged between the two clubs or who played for the two clubs (Walter Smith, Trevor Steven, Gary Stevens, Gazza, Duncan Ferguson, Iain Durrant, Davey Weir through to Jelavic and Naismith nowadays - I've probably left some out but that's off the top of my head) there's clearly a bit more of a link between Everton and Rangers nowadays.

 

[Dublintoff]

Half our team in the 50s was Irish so with the mass immigration of Irish lids like my Grandparents we became their team of choice and therefore Liverpool were seen as Protestant even though they were probably neither. This carried on for a good couple of decades until it faded away bar a few traditions. I may be wrong like but dunno.

It's nothing to do with St Domingos, the church, the founders of the club or anything official, though. It was always a fan thing.

This is true. Farrell and Eglington being fairly legendary irish footballers

 

[Dublintoff]

To be honest mate I don't see us as having a real link with any other club, bar maybe the Chilean Everton.

Yes but we are better than them cos we won the everton cup dont forget. Koff everton chile

 

[chicoazul]

In the mid to late 1980s, when bobble hats/cornish pasty hats were all the rage, they used to produce half Everton/half Celtic hats, which were sold outside the ground. I never saw any half Everton/half Rangers hats, so I always assumed that there was always more of link between Everton and Celtic than Everton and Rangers.

Spot on. I used to like Rangers as they played in blue but my Grandad took the match and bought me an Everton/Celtic one (that's where his loyalties lie like) as there wasn't any Everton/Rangers ones.

As the lad said on the opening post, it's all a load of pish anyway. Religion shouldn't have any place in football.

Welcome pal.

 

[Animal Farm]

From a modern perspective there is certainly no link between the two football clubs in Liverpool and religion.

In fact you can go on Youtube and see footage of Irish tricolours and the Union Jacks being displayed in the Street End (not necessarily the same footage), but I doubt anyone received any grief for bringing either of them on to the terrace. It also debunks the stupid theory that flags and scarves are only a kopite thing.