(yeah, yeah, I might know some stuff about Straq's transfer)
Hi there! My name is Pablo and I'm from Argentina. I'm not one of those "fan of teams in other countries", but I'm a big admirer of Fellaini so I kind of follow Everton. I'm a River Plate fan in my country. Recently I started to get more interested in Everton since you signed Denis (not that I'm quite identified with Everton playing style or Straq's, but I admire him and wish him well because of his background).
I made this post since I have that threat on the top:
and since I like to read the forum and since I see everyone is wondering what it would take to get Denis, I decided to kill 2 birds with one shot and integrate myself and maybe (yes, "maybe") provide a little (yes, "a little") clarification on Denis status:
The situation surrounding Denis is very intriguing (no wonder why you don't know so much, here in Argentina we don't know much either). He was on Tigre, and one of the people very close to Tigre's board happens to be Sergio Massa, who used to be the Chief of Ministerial Cabinet (SP?) of the current government (a corrupt government, as always, but very close to football, with influence in several clubs) and now is the Mayor of the city of Tigre. Also, his agent is Jorge Cyterszpiller, who used to be Diego Maradona's agent in Diego's first years, and he had some troubles in the past concerning some transfers wich at least one even led to Cyterszpiller getting arrested.
For the information that I was gathering, Denis was on loan at Tigre with a 1.25 million dollar option over 50% of his economic rights, wich Tigre have used. In practice, this mean that Tigre doesn't have a call over Denis Future, but recieves 50% of his next transfer. Nobody can confirm who has the other 50% and federative rights (the rights to decide where the player gets to play). The general assumption and the information that is given "as true", is that these percentages and rights belong to Cyterszpiller himself.
What I do not know is if Everton have any buying option in the loan contract and, if it does, how much is that.
I don't know if everything is clean, considering the people involved in the case, but in any way, I think that Everton will have to negotiate with Cyterszpiller. And I'm sure that negotiatons won't be easy, specially since I expect Tigre wanting to gain something out of their 50% (wich would have to be more than 1.25 million dollars), not because Tigre must have something to say in the negotiation, but because of the person behind Tigre's board. And, of course, because his agent has more than 30 years of field experience and a lot of contacts that, depending on how Denis does, he can sell him to the best bidder.
Finally, to have more backround: He was on Gimansia in the same situation that he was on Tigre (loan with 50% option) wich Gimnasia didn't use (because they couldn't and didn't want to), so then he was loaned to Tigre. So Gimnasia doesn't have anything to do here (just in case).
not much info, but I don't think you might get better info on this issue for the time being. Maybe when it's time to make a decision, some things must be clearified.
See you around!
Hi there! My name is Pablo and I'm from Argentina. I'm not one of those "fan of teams in other countries", but I'm a big admirer of Fellaini so I kind of follow Everton. I'm a River Plate fan in my country. Recently I started to get more interested in Everton since you signed Denis (not that I'm quite identified with Everton playing style or Straq's, but I admire him and wish him well because of his background).
I made this post since I have that threat on the top:
and since I like to read the forum and since I see everyone is wondering what it would take to get Denis, I decided to kill 2 birds with one shot and integrate myself and maybe (yes, "maybe") provide a little (yes, "a little") clarification on Denis status:
The situation surrounding Denis is very intriguing (no wonder why you don't know so much, here in Argentina we don't know much either). He was on Tigre, and one of the people very close to Tigre's board happens to be Sergio Massa, who used to be the Chief of Ministerial Cabinet (SP?) of the current government (a corrupt government, as always, but very close to football, with influence in several clubs) and now is the Mayor of the city of Tigre. Also, his agent is Jorge Cyterszpiller, who used to be Diego Maradona's agent in Diego's first years, and he had some troubles in the past concerning some transfers wich at least one even led to Cyterszpiller getting arrested.
For the information that I was gathering, Denis was on loan at Tigre with a 1.25 million dollar option over 50% of his economic rights, wich Tigre have used. In practice, this mean that Tigre doesn't have a call over Denis Future, but recieves 50% of his next transfer. Nobody can confirm who has the other 50% and federative rights (the rights to decide where the player gets to play). The general assumption and the information that is given "as true", is that these percentages and rights belong to Cyterszpiller himself.
What I do not know is if Everton have any buying option in the loan contract and, if it does, how much is that.
I don't know if everything is clean, considering the people involved in the case, but in any way, I think that Everton will have to negotiate with Cyterszpiller. And I'm sure that negotiatons won't be easy, specially since I expect Tigre wanting to gain something out of their 50% (wich would have to be more than 1.25 million dollars), not because Tigre must have something to say in the negotiation, but because of the person behind Tigre's board. And, of course, because his agent has more than 30 years of field experience and a lot of contacts that, depending on how Denis does, he can sell him to the best bidder.
Finally, to have more backround: He was on Gimansia in the same situation that he was on Tigre (loan with 50% option) wich Gimnasia didn't use (because they couldn't and didn't want to), so then he was loaned to Tigre. So Gimnasia doesn't have anything to do here (just in case).
not much info, but I don't think you might get better info on this issue for the time being. Maybe when it's time to make a decision, some things must be clearified.
See you around!
