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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

ManCityFan said:
First post from me here. As the name suggests I’m a City fan and I’m here for a sensible and objective discussion.

I’d been scanning forums for a collective view on Peps style of play since coming to City and have been surprised by some of the ultra negative opinions on him.

For anyone interested here’s a City fans opinion on him;

He was regarded as the best coach in the world (or one of) and many top English clubs would have given their right arms to have him.

When he chose City the opinions started to change. In our usual English way we lauded someone and then look to knock them over.

In his first year he was heavily slated for kicking out Joe Hart - he did not fit his style of play (which to be fair we knew little about at the time). He brought in Bravo who was a nightmare but knew how Pep wanted to play. Pep stuck with him under a barrage of crticism.
He kept playing the style of football we were starting to question - we got smashed at Leicester and at Everton and doubts were starting to creep in.
He continued on that path but knowing our weakness was that we simply had four full backs in their 30’s and a squad the hadn’t been moved on by pellegrini.

He changed the playing staff over rapidly - yes, it cost a bucket load of money- but he changed.

We are now seeing that his ideas that got ridiculed last year are producing some mesmerising football.

He’s improved Stones, Otamendi, Delph, Sterling, KDB to name a few. He’s created a beast of a team.Other managers (including some of our own) have spent £££’s and failed.

Here’s my point in short - he’s not just bought players and slotted the into a usual style of play (which Mancini/ pellegrini did) - he’s bought young players and moulded them into a team playing a brand of football I haven’t seen before.
The the frightening thing is that this team is probably 3-5 years from peaking and he should get a little bit of credit, not for just spending, but for what he’s making them do.
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Tixi signs the players thought mert.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Tixi signs the players thought mert.
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He does the negotiations. Whether it’s morally right or wrong there’s no doubt in my mind Guardiola knew his next move and instructed him to sign KDB, and possibly a few others.

There are many that have proved it’s possible to spend a bucketload of money and fail. Pep has produced (so far) a team that is playing a brand of football that has been alien to the PL. I think it’s exciting (although I would) and I don’t understand why he gets levelled with “he couldn’t do it with a crap team”.

Whether he was lucky to get the Barca gig when he did is a matter of opinion (like Zidane now at Madrid), but in life if you get a break you don’t go looking backwards.

I sincerely hope in the coming years you get to enjoy the mesmeric rise like we have done. I don’t pine for the old city either - I watched 30 years of dross and constant false dawns. Having Big Sam is akin to when we first started with Mark Hughes and your day will come when you can rub the Reds noses in it just like I am.
 

The only contenders for Best Manager in the World currently are Pep and Mourinho. Both have valid claims. Pep takes it for me because of the football he gets his teams to play which is a mixture of Cruyffianism and Bielsismo. Much more enjoyable than Mourinho's Allardyce Deluxe style.

Basically if you'd prefer to watch a Mourinho team hoof and grind its way to a league title than watching the type of football being produced by Man CIty at the moment then I have serious doubts about you a s a person.
 
ManCityFan said:
He does the negotiations. Whether it’s morally right or wrong there’s no doubt in my mind Guardiola knew his next move and instructed him to sign KDB, and possibly a few others.

There are many that have proved it’s possible to spend a bucketload of money and fail. Pep has produced (so far) a team that is playing a brand of football that has been alien to the PL. I think it’s exciting (although I would) and I don’t understand why he gets levelled with “he couldn’t do it with a crap team”.

Whether he was lucky to get the Barca gig when he did is a matter of opinion (like Zidane now at Madrid), but in life if you get a break you don’t go looking backwards.

I sincerely hope in the coming years you get to enjoy the mesmeric rise like we have done. I don’t pine for the old city either - I watched 30 years of dross and constant false dawns. Having Big Sam is akin to when we first started with Mark Hughes and your day will come when you can rub the Reds noses in it just like I am.
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Thanks for the patronising, but I'd rather not be the PR face for a man and country who need their hands washed, just so the fans can turn into the thing they've said they've hated for the previous half a century
 

FCBarça said:
Just look at what Zidane did/didn't do with Real Madrid's youth team and compare it to what Pep did in the 4th division. The criticism that Pep's way only works with the best players is nonsense since he has already proven it worked even in the 4th division of football where money & world class stars had no impact
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You think money has no impact on barcas youth teams?
 
Pep definitely deserves credit for identifying his fullbacks and goalie needed replacing.

Ok a blind man with no interest in football also knew what he needed to do but pep knew in a sexy Catalan way, not a boring English way.

Then the way he improve those positions by spending just £150m shows that it's not all about the money.
 
I though he would dominate here but after the first season I had my doubts.

Now I'm back to o thinking he's perhaps the best coach of all time. I think it would work with poorer players. Half of what his strength is how his team's press and that doesn't require world class players.

Just really good coaching.
 
FCBarça said:
Just look at what Zidane did/didn't do with Real Madrid's youth team and compare it to what Pep did in the 4th division. The criticism that Pep's way only works with the best players is nonsense since he has already proven it worked even in the 4th division of football where money & world class stars had no impact
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Did he have any of iniesta, busquets, Pedro etc?

I thought he had a couple.
 

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