"Is David Moyes Really As Good As People Make Out?"

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RFUS.

In 2005/2006 season Everton had the joint lowest number of injuries in the league along with West Ham (twelve)


In 2004/2006 Everton had a precisely average number of injuries in the league that year (fifteen)


In 2003/2004 Everton had the second highest number of injuries in the league (twenty three; Portsmouth top on thirty;

6 clubs had twenty two injuries and that year the average was higher than normal!)
 
Matt Damon said:
RFUS.

In 2005/2006 season Everton had the joint lowest number of injuries in the league along with West Ham (twelve)


In 2004/2006 Everton had a precisely average number of injuries in the league that year (fifteen)


In 2003/2004 Everton had the second highest number of injuries in the league (twenty three; Portsmouth top on thirty; 6 clubs had twenty two!)
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You crafty sod.

I asked you to go forward in time -- the "past 2 or 3 seasons" -- and you've gone back!
 
Matt Damon said:
RFUS.

In 2005/2006 season Everton had the joint lowest number of injuries in the league along with West Ham (twelve)


In 2004/2006 Everton had a precisely average number of injuries in the league that year (fifteen)


In 2003/2004 Everton had the second highest number of injuries in the league (twenty three; Portsmouth top on thirty;

6 clubs had twenty two injuries and that year the average was higher than normal!)
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What about 08/09, 09/10 and last season?
 

Stats are there to be interpretted. If we've got a squad of 18 regular players and everyone else has 23, then 6 injuries will hit us harder. Other teams might actually have more injuries, but it could have less of a detrimental effect because of their squad size. We might have the same number of injuries as other teams, but ours might be longer term. That might not show up in lost days because fewer players are getting injured than our rivals or because our wages are lower.

I definitely think that we suffer injuries due to over-playing a small squad. Don't we always use the fewest number of players in the league? Another important point to remember is that we've recently been the most fouled team in the division.
 
billycopper said:
Stats are there to be interpretted. If we've got a squad of 18 regular players and everyone else has 23, then 6 injuries will hit us harder. Other teams might actually have more injuries, but it could have less of a detrimental effect because of their squad size. We might have the same number of injuries as other teams, but ours might be longer term. That might not show up in lost days because fewer players are getting injured than our rivals or because our wages are lower.

I definitely think that we suffer injuries due to over-playing a small squad. Don't we always use the fewest number of players in the league? Another important point to remember is that we've recently been the most fouled team in the division.
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To be honest the amount of variables to consider with injuries make it nigh on impossible to extrapolate the root cause of the problem. Kevin Nolan Goomba-stomps aside.
 
billycopper said:
Stats are there to be interpretted. If we've got a squad of 18 regular players and everyone else has 23, then 6 injuries will hit us harder. Other teams might actually have more injuries, but it could have less of a detrimental effect because of their squad size. We might have the same number of injuries as other teams, but ours might be longer term. That might not show up in lost days because fewer players are getting injured than our rivals or because our wages are lower.

I definitely think that we suffer injuries due to over-playing a small squad. Don't we always use the fewest number of players in the league? Another important point to remember is that we've recently been the most fouled team in the division.
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Good point, is there any stats that would show the effect injuries have on a team? Ie - how many 'first teamers' are out. And the average time players are out for each team?
 
billycopper said:
Stats are there to be interpretted. If we've got a squad of 18 regular players and everyone else has 23, then 6 injuries will hit us harder. Other teams might actually have more injuries, but it could have less of a detrimental effect because of their squad size. We might have the same number of injuries as other teams, but ours might be longer term. That might not show up in lost days because fewer players are getting injured than our rivals or because our wages are lower.

I definitely think that we suffer injuries due to over-playing a small squad. Don't we always use the fewest number of players in the league? Another important point to remember is that we've recently been the most fouled team in the division.
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Lost days is independent of the wages lost due to injury stat. Lost days is related to recovery time, which is average in the stat.


An average of averages should statistically show the anomaly that Everton/Moyes are bad for players and is getting them injured relative to other clubs.

Because we'd stick out in average numbers of injuries and average days lost in one or the other. Doing so consistently.

We don't. It doesn't.


It has however highlighted that the number of injuries has statistically increased FOR ALL CLUBS.

I think that relates to clubs no longer giving injections and playing players, players are getting more recovery time. So it looks in the stats that they're injured more frequent or longer. That shows the general drift upward in numbers.
 
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What I really don't understand is the fact they have a massive warm-up like 30/45 minutes, but then go into the dressing room for ten minutes and cool right down?! Surely that doesn't help?
 
To play in the prem now you need to be an athlete. There are no real genuinely fat players anymore and if you are carrying excess weight you need to have a team built around you to do your running. To be at that peak of fitness you need to be finely tuned and soft tissue injuries are common. Couple that with bad luck and footballers now being soft and there is your answer.
 
Matt Damon said:
Lost days is independent of the wages lost due to injury stat. Lost days is related to recovery time, which is average in the stat.


An average of averages should statistically show the anomaly that Everton/Moyes are bad for players and is getting them injured relative to other clubs.

Because we'd stick out in average numbers of injuries and average days lost in one or the other. Doing so consistently.

We don't. It doesn't.


It has however highlighted that the number of injuries has statistically increased.

I think that relates to clubs no longer giving injections and playing players, players are getting more recovery time. So it looks in the stats that they're injured more frequent or longer. That shows the general drift upward in numbers.
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Ok, say that most teams in the top half have the maximum number of players signed on. That's something like 25 seniors and as many kids as they like, isn't it? They might get 10 players injured for 2 weeks each, which is 20 weeks. I think we generally only use about 18 players. We might lose 5 of those for a month each. It would still be the same number of lost days, but it would effect us much more severely.

If the statistics were weighted so that we had the same squad size as everyone else, then we might see a different picture.
 
RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
To be honest the amount of variables to consider with injuries make it nigh on impossible to extrapolate the root cause of the problem. Kevin Nolan Goomba-stomps aside.
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It's kind of hard to figure why we've become the most fouled team, as it's not as if we're soft. Maybe it's cos we're so slow that we're easier to catch?
 

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