Think it is more a joke on Greg O'Keefe usually being the first to give us bad news whilst in this instance he's playfully suggesting he is settled and happy.
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apologies. Never taken much notice of o'keefe myself.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Simple enough, they won't make such a definitive statement because if someone comes in with a really silly bid, then it might make sense to accept it. At which point the club would look like pillocks for having said "not for sale at any price"
As for who contacted who, we'll just have to agree to differ.
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
As if i just visited 'TheShedEnd' and seen someone saying that one of us is using a photo of John Stones taken today with a smile as confirmation the papers are definitely talking rubbish re.him being interested in a move here......and took it completely seriously...and did not sense any joke in the post.... Utter madness
I mean, as if guy smiling for a picture with an Umbro employee... would be used by one of us as evidence of him staying......I never!
What did Chelsea expect, Everton to not at all fight to keep OUR player....
I mean, as if guy smiling for a picture with an Umbro employee... would be used by one of us as evidence of him staying......I never!
What did Chelsea expect, Everton to not at all fight to keep OUR player....
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-stones-should-stay-everton-9759556
John Stones would be better staying at Everton rather than making a big money move to Chelsea, according to former Blue Martin Keown. Stones has been the subject of two failed bids from the Premier League champions in the last month, the latest one believed to be worth around £26million. And though the Londoners are likely to return with a third offer, Everton remain adamant the 21-year-old is not for sale at any price.
And Keown believes Stones still needs time to develop as a player, and would be best served staying on Merseyside, where he is guaranteed regular football. Interviewed by 888sport ahead of Sunday's Community Shield, Keown said: “I think it’s very early days. He’s only really had one season in the Premier League and he hasn’t yet become a man. “I feel he needs to stay at Everton because there are things he needs to work on in his game. “I’d like to see him more commanding from crosses and set pieces. His position is like a goalkeeper where it’s all about maturity. “Your decision-making becomes better and the more times you play the more the same situations start to pop up in front of you.”
Keown, who played 96 times for the Blues, is adamant Stones’ development is best served in remaining on Merseyside for one more season at least. “He needs to keep playing and at Everton he’s their kingpin and someone who is looked up to. That will give him a great deal of confidence. I’m concerned he might get smothered a bit at Chelsea with all the players he would be surrounded by.”
John Stones would be better staying at Everton rather than making a big money move to Chelsea, according to former Blue Martin Keown. Stones has been the subject of two failed bids from the Premier League champions in the last month, the latest one believed to be worth around £26million. And though the Londoners are likely to return with a third offer, Everton remain adamant the 21-year-old is not for sale at any price.
And Keown believes Stones still needs time to develop as a player, and would be best served staying on Merseyside, where he is guaranteed regular football. Interviewed by 888sport ahead of Sunday's Community Shield, Keown said: “I think it’s very early days. He’s only really had one season in the Premier League and he hasn’t yet become a man. “I feel he needs to stay at Everton because there are things he needs to work on in his game. “I’d like to see him more commanding from crosses and set pieces. His position is like a goalkeeper where it’s all about maturity. “Your decision-making becomes better and the more times you play the more the same situations start to pop up in front of you.”
Keown, who played 96 times for the Blues, is adamant Stones’ development is best served in remaining on Merseyside for one more season at least. “He needs to keep playing and at Everton he’s their kingpin and someone who is looked up to. That will give him a great deal of confidence. I’m concerned he might get smothered a bit at Chelsea with all the players he would be surrounded by.”
Love the last bit about him working for Chelsea, sorry I mean reporting on Chelseahttp://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ve-up-price-to-34m-for-defender-10426289.html
Chelseahave been frustrated in their efforts to sign Everton defender John Stones, with a second bid of £26m turned down on Wednesday. However, the Premier League champions are prepared to bid up to £30m which includes a series of add-ons.
This is still short of Everton's £34m valuation for the England centre back and the Merseyside club are hopeful that interest from Manchester Unitedcould drive his price up.
Standard Sport's Simon Johnson reports from the US, as Chelsea's pre-season tour comes to an end.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Errrrr, you do know Coleman was signed in 2009 mate, 4 years before Moyes left...
I think Chelsea initially leaked the offer.
Mourinho with his "I'm not talking about other teams and their players" yet saying absolutely everything he wanted to say about Stones. Then having Cahill and his other players talk to the media about how great Chelsea is, how great John is and how great John could be if he signed for Chelsea.
This then backfired for a couple of reasons. First, we can no longer buy out Stones' sell on fee from Barnsley. However slim a chance of it happening before was, it's impossible now. That means we're definitely going to want more to make up for the X% that we'll have to give to Burnley.
Secondly, we have now taken this discussion and by not completely ruling any chance of him leaving out, allowed City and United to enter a possible bidding war, driving his price up even more.
Notice how Chelsea didn't say anything about the second bid. They want to keep it quiet now because they know it's in their best interest to do so. We're the ones who "announced" that we have rejected a second bid from Chelsea, essentially saying "look, Chelsea are offering £26m for Stones, anyone care to beat that?"
He may not necessarily be for sale but we're making sure we'll get the best price possible if he does go.
Mourinho with his "I'm not talking about other teams and their players" yet saying absolutely everything he wanted to say about Stones. Then having Cahill and his other players talk to the media about how great Chelsea is, how great John is and how great John could be if he signed for Chelsea.
This then backfired for a couple of reasons. First, we can no longer buy out Stones' sell on fee from Barnsley. However slim a chance of it happening before was, it's impossible now. That means we're definitely going to want more to make up for the X% that we'll have to give to Burnley.
Secondly, we have now taken this discussion and by not completely ruling any chance of him leaving out, allowed City and United to enter a possible bidding war, driving his price up even more.
Notice how Chelsea didn't say anything about the second bid. They want to keep it quiet now because they know it's in their best interest to do so. We're the ones who "announced" that we have rejected a second bid from Chelsea, essentially saying "look, Chelsea are offering £26m for Stones, anyone care to beat that?"
He may not necessarily be for sale but we're making sure we'll get the best price possible if he does go.
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toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
bluebrotha77
Player Valuation: £20m
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Adrian Durham and Alvin Martin are on Talk Sport now, said they were going to talk about Stones, waiting to hear what nonsense Durham comes out with, "Everton holding Stones back" i'm going for.
Bleh, Barnsley Burnley same thing lol
By god I'm blue
Banned at own request
Seriously mate, you woud be better advised going and listening to some toddlers in the park. Do yourself a favour and turn off, it's radio for the mentally uncapeable.
http://bet.unibet.co.uk/football/premier-league/john-stones-talent-everton-best-place-him-right-now
John Stones is a ball-playing centre back with bags of potential, but when it comes to mastering the art of defending, he’s at best only 60 per cent of the way there. The youngster’s positional play, decision-making, aggression, and all-round command of the role have considerable room for improvement. He’ll know that too.
So when you consider Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United are all still interested in paying upwards of £25million for the Everton star - now, not in the future - it tells you all you need to know about the dearth of outstanding ‘defenders’ who are coming through the system. But that’s not his problem. What Stones needs to worry about, and ultimately decide, is which environment will help him add that missing 40 per cent to his game over the next five years. Where is he most likely to fulfill his promise?
My instinct and experience tells me that for at least one more season, he should stay where he is at Goodison Park.
I always learned more in 90 minutes of first team football, than I did in a hundred reserve games, or a thousand coaching sessions. All of those experiences are important, but there’s no substitute for competitive match practice. To improve you need opponents to ask you serious questions when it matters; you need to experience what it takes to win, how to eradicate mistakes that mean you lose. Learning how to handle intense pressure, and even noise, is paramount to player development too.
Stones will get that at Everton. He’ll be a regular this season, and very few 21-year-old central defenders will be afforded the opportunity to spend ten months marking high-class strikers in Premier League matches. I can only see him growing as a player because of it.
Signing for Chelsea sounds great on paper and he’d work with an outstanding defensive coach in Jose Mourinho – but is being fourth choice for a manager who doesn’t like to rotate his defenders, a good thing? First team football has to trump that. The Blues boss only used six defenders last term and one of those, the excellent Felipe Luis, has called it quits after just one year as a frustrated understudy. His career was going backwards, and it’s a danger that could face Stones too, if Everton sell him to the champions.
There are those who’ll say watching John Terry and Gary Cahill in close quarters will give him priceless tips. It’s a fair point, but I don’t buy into that theory completely. I spent hundreds of hours training with the brilliant Dennis Bergkamp, Ian Wright and Paul Merson, seeing great things on a daily basis, but it never guaranteed their magic would rub off on me! Playing with the best in matches on a regular basis is the most effective way to learn from them. How many times will that happen if Chelsea’s first choice defenders stay fit next term?
Working with a manager that sees you as a world-beater, also elevates confidence. Most players perform better for bosses that appreciate their talent and make them main men. I know I did. Being a bit-part player with others are ahead of you in the manager’s affection can be quite disheartening if you’ve come from somewhere where you were loved. Too many whizzkids have discovered this to their cost when switching to bigger clubs too soon.
While Roberto Martinez is no sage when it comes to defensive acumen, he does make Stones feel a million dollars. Last season he described the defender as ‘one of the best in Europe’ at what he does, and having that support at the age of 21 is a huge positive.
Right now Stones isn’t ready to play every week for a title contender. Being part of a huge club, a quality squad, and winning the odd medal or two is lovely, but unless you’re playing all the time it won’t make you a better footballer. The Everton centre-back needs to find that extra 40 per cent, and another full season at Goodison Park will take him closer to that goal. Until a top four club thinks he’s ready to be their top dog, he’s better off where he is.
John Stones is a ball-playing centre back with bags of potential, but when it comes to mastering the art of defending, he’s at best only 60 per cent of the way there. The youngster’s positional play, decision-making, aggression, and all-round command of the role have considerable room for improvement. He’ll know that too.
So when you consider Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United are all still interested in paying upwards of £25million for the Everton star - now, not in the future - it tells you all you need to know about the dearth of outstanding ‘defenders’ who are coming through the system. But that’s not his problem. What Stones needs to worry about, and ultimately decide, is which environment will help him add that missing 40 per cent to his game over the next five years. Where is he most likely to fulfill his promise?
My instinct and experience tells me that for at least one more season, he should stay where he is at Goodison Park.
I always learned more in 90 minutes of first team football, than I did in a hundred reserve games, or a thousand coaching sessions. All of those experiences are important, but there’s no substitute for competitive match practice. To improve you need opponents to ask you serious questions when it matters; you need to experience what it takes to win, how to eradicate mistakes that mean you lose. Learning how to handle intense pressure, and even noise, is paramount to player development too.
Stones will get that at Everton. He’ll be a regular this season, and very few 21-year-old central defenders will be afforded the opportunity to spend ten months marking high-class strikers in Premier League matches. I can only see him growing as a player because of it.
Signing for Chelsea sounds great on paper and he’d work with an outstanding defensive coach in Jose Mourinho – but is being fourth choice for a manager who doesn’t like to rotate his defenders, a good thing? First team football has to trump that. The Blues boss only used six defenders last term and one of those, the excellent Felipe Luis, has called it quits after just one year as a frustrated understudy. His career was going backwards, and it’s a danger that could face Stones too, if Everton sell him to the champions.
There are those who’ll say watching John Terry and Gary Cahill in close quarters will give him priceless tips. It’s a fair point, but I don’t buy into that theory completely. I spent hundreds of hours training with the brilliant Dennis Bergkamp, Ian Wright and Paul Merson, seeing great things on a daily basis, but it never guaranteed their magic would rub off on me! Playing with the best in matches on a regular basis is the most effective way to learn from them. How many times will that happen if Chelsea’s first choice defenders stay fit next term?
Working with a manager that sees you as a world-beater, also elevates confidence. Most players perform better for bosses that appreciate their talent and make them main men. I know I did. Being a bit-part player with others are ahead of you in the manager’s affection can be quite disheartening if you’ve come from somewhere where you were loved. Too many whizzkids have discovered this to their cost when switching to bigger clubs too soon.
While Roberto Martinez is no sage when it comes to defensive acumen, he does make Stones feel a million dollars. Last season he described the defender as ‘one of the best in Europe’ at what he does, and having that support at the age of 21 is a huge positive.
Right now Stones isn’t ready to play every week for a title contender. Being part of a huge club, a quality squad, and winning the odd medal or two is lovely, but unless you’re playing all the time it won’t make you a better footballer. The Everton centre-back needs to find that extra 40 per cent, and another full season at Goodison Park will take him closer to that goal. Until a top four club thinks he’s ready to be their top dog, he’s better off where he is.
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