2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[BlueStevie35]

That’s the only way things will change.

How will things change if we are paying wages for FIVE managers?

 

[davek]

It's a fact.

Whether that money will ultimately go back to Moshiri is obviously up for debate.

But as it stands he has put £250m into the club, paying off debt, hiring/firing managers, and enabling us to spend big (because even if he hasn't given money to transfers, it's meant that we didn't have to sell players/use TV money to cover 'other operating costs' etc).

We were net spending again three seasons before Moshiri arrived, and if the sale of Lukaku and Stones etc + the extra £50M p.a. increase from tv revenue had come in when Kenwright was here the spending on players would have been just as great.

You're task here is to demonstrate what positive impact on squad development Moshiri's finances has had.

 

[hktoffee]

And then what if he can't get a tune out of the players? Doesn't that just go against everything we're trying to build, which is a sustainable model.

Look, I wouldn't be against hiring someone like Conte, obviously, but it's just as much a gamble as anything else. Conte isn't a well-liked manager by players. So wouldn't he just end up in the same situation he did at Chelsea, without the quality in the squad to go and win a title?

I think we need to get a proven manager with track records at winning trophies because as a club now backed by Moshiri, we have not tried that before. And that will be most likely way to bring success.

 

[BlueToff]

I’d say Conte would deserve it. Koeman, Fat Sam and Silva do not.

Hiring a top manager will breed expectation from the players.

Chelsea's players got him sacked though, because they fell out with him.

Obviously, they won a league first, and while Conte was excellent, he was also helped by having world class players to do it with.

We haven't got any world class players. So what, we could maybe finish 7th/6th, and then it'd inevitably all go tits up and because the drop off between us and Chelsea is so huge, we'd end up back in midtable.

It's obviously a worst case scenario, but my point is there's no guarantees.

 

[GwladysBlue]

How will things change if we are paying wages for FIVE managers?

Because we’d have a top manager running the team. Let’s eventually get relegated with this chancer, though, I’m sure THAT will help the balance book.

 

[BlueToff]

We were net spending again three seasons before Moshiri arrived, and if the sale of Lukaku and Stones etc + the extra £50M p.a. increase from tv revenue had come in when Kenwright was here the spending on players would have been just as great.

You're task here is to demonstrate what positive impact on squad development Moshiri's finances has had.

How is it?

Dave, if I give you £20 because you need to buy food, and you go and spend it down the pub instead, that doesn't change the fact that I gave you £20.

Now, in this analogy, I think it's fair to say it'd be more like me giving you £20 for the food you need, but instead of telling you to go to the shop, we both make a decision to go and spend it at the pub, which ultimately leads to me spending another £20. Etc etc.

The decision making has been poor. I won't dispute that.

What isn't disputable is that the money has been put in, though.

 

[BlueStevie35]

This
The more that he spent the worse we got
It's baffling

The thing is the spending on players wouldn't have been nearly as horrendous had we got Brands or any other competent DOF a year or two earlier instead of giving a scout an unfamiliar promotion. Something that Kenwright should have nipped in the bud but didn't

 

[Big Fat Sam]

No, it isn't.

In the summer West Ham brought in Felipe Anderson, Diop, Yarmolenko and Fabianski as their top signings for a combined 90m EUR. Before that (aka before Pellegrini) their three main players were arguably Lanzini, Arnautovic and Winston Reid. Perhaps we can mention players such as Andy Carroll and Chicharito.

In the summer we brought in Richarlison, Mina and Digne for a combined 80m EUR, and clearly paid a very handsome signing-on fee for Bernard, plus generous loan fees for both Zouma and Gomes (I think it's fair to say our spending topped 90m all-in). Before that our main three players were arguably Sigurdsson, Gueye and Pickford, and we also had plenty of players miles better than their West Ham counterparts in Coleman (Zabaleta), Baines (Cresswell), Walcott (Antonia/Snodgrass?), and a handful of 20/30m players in Schneiderlin, Keane, Tosun.

I don't think it's even possible to state either:

1. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham before the summer transfer window
or:
2. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham after the summer transfer window

Our squad was and clearly very much is much stronger, albeit without a top striker which is obviously killing us and costing us points virtually every game. The problem is the manager is useless and has no idea how to forge the players into an actual team with tactics to win football matches.

Pellegrini's West Ham are above Everton in the table. Silva is doing a terrible job.

 

[ToffeeTim]

This
The more that he spent the worse we got
It's baffling

It's depressing.

We need to find a happy medium between Koeman and Walsh lashing money at anyone who is available, and the Bill Kenwright sell to buy stripping of club assets.

We are an easy pay day for bang average players. The most comfortable job in football. No pressure to succeed. It's a mess.

 

[BlueToff]

I think we need to get a proven manager with track records at winning trophies because as a club now backed by Moshiri, we have not tried that before. And that will be most likely way to bring success.

Silva has won trophies.

Koeman has won trophies.

 

[hktoffee]

Chelsea's players got him sacked though, because they fell out with him.

Obviously, they won a league first, and while Conte was excellent, he was also helped by having world class players to do it with.

We haven't got any world class players. So what, we could maybe finish 7th/6th, and then it'd inevitably all go tits up and because the drop off between us and Chelsea is so huge, we'd end up back in midtable.

It's obviously a worst case scenario, but my point is there's no guarantees.

Doubt Silva can do the same. Like Martinez, Everton is the biggest club he has managed.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Chelsea's players got him sacked though, because they fell out with him.

Obviously, they won a league first, and while Conte was excellent, he was also helped by having world class players to do it with.

We haven't got any world class players. So what, we could maybe finish 7th/6th, and then it'd inevitably all go tits up and because the drop off between us and Chelsea is so huge, we'd end up back in midtable.

It's obviously a worst case scenario, but my point is there's no guarantees.

Well then it’s pointless having a discussion. You can say your worst case, I can say the best case.

If you think a manager that has Silva’s record should be blindly followed, that’s up to you.

There is no progress from last season and we all know he’ll be sacked because he’s never shown the ability to turn around bad form.

 

[hktoffee]

Silva has won trophies.

Koeman has won trophies.

You know what I mean. Proper trophies not from some 2nd/3rd rate leagues.

And good winning rates like 40 odd % in some top leagues.

 

[BlueToff]

In the summer West Ham brought in Felipe Anderson, Diop, Tarmolenko and Fabianski as their top signings for a combined 90m EUR. Before that (aka before Pellegrini) their three main players were arguably Lanzini, Arnautovic and Winston Reid. Perhaps we can mention players such as Andy Carroll and Chicharito.

In the summer we brought in Richarlison, Mina and Digne for a combined 80m EUR, and clearly paid a very handsome signing-on fee for Bernard, plus generous loan fees for both Zouma and Gomes. Before that our main three players were arguably Sigurdsson, Gueye and Pickford, and we also had plenty of players miles better than their West Ham counterparts in Coleman (Zabaleta), Baines (Cresswell), Walcott (Antonia/Snodgrass?), and a handful of 20/30m players in Schneiderlin, Keane, Tosun.

I don't think it's even possible to state either:
1. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham before the summer transfer window

or:

2. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham after the summer transfer window

Our squad is clearly much stronger, albeit without a top striker which is obviously killing us and costing us points virtually every game.

Everton and West Ham's squads are currently of a very similar level.

I'd say we have a better goalkeeper - just.

I'd say we have a better left-back. You could probably split the CBs 1 each. Coleman over Zabaleta.

Midfield, we'd edge it.

But in attack, they have far more quality. Far more.

Now, should we be doing better than them? Considering their start to the season, yes. We should be. But are they just as inconsistent as us under this so called top manager? Yes.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Because we’d have a top manager running the team. Let’s eventually get relegated with this chancer, though, I’m sure THAT will help the balance book.

You are bypassing the question, we'd have a 'top' manager but we'd still be paying him, Silva, Koeman, Allardyce and Martinez, the former would be on your proposed super mega wage so again how would that be good for the balance book paying 5 managerial wages and their teams?