2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

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Big Fat Sam said:
In the summer West Ham brought in Felipe Anderson, Diop, Yarmolenko and Fabianski as their top signings for a combined 90m EUR. Before that (aka before Pellegrini) their three main players were arguably Lanzini, Arnautovic and Winston Reid. Perhaps we can mention players such as Andy Carroll and Chicharito.

In the summer we brought in Richarlison, Mina and Digne for a combined 80m EUR, and clearly paid a very handsome signing-on fee for Bernard, plus generous loan fees for both Zouma and Gomes (I think it's fair to say our spending topped 90m all-in). Before that our main three players were arguably Sigurdsson, Gueye and Pickford, and we also had plenty of players miles better than their West Ham counterparts in Coleman (Zabaleta), Baines (Cresswell), Walcott (Antonia/Snodgrass?), and a handful of 20/30m players in Schneiderlin, Keane, Tosun.

I don't think it's even possible to state either:
1. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham before the summer transfer window

or:

2. Everton had a worse squad than West Ham after the summer transfer window

Our squad is clearly much stronger, albeit without a top striker which is obviously killing us and costing us points virtually every game.

Pellegrini's West Ham are above Everton in the table. Silva is doing a terrible job.
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West ham have had massive injury problems Reid lanzini and yaramalenko have missed massive parts of the season
 

Anyway...

I don't think Silva is doing a good enough job. He's completely failing so far.

But I don't think he should be replaced. I think he needs an opportunity to turn this around and show that he has improved us come the early stages of next season.

Massive game next week. One neither he, nor us as a club can afford to lose. No excuses for him. He needs to be fully focused and take it seriously. Our season depends on it.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Well then it’s pointless having a discussion. You can say your worst case, I can say the best case.

If you think a manager that has Silva’s record should be blindly followed, that’s up to you.

There is no progress from last season and we all know he’ll be sacked because he’s never shown the ability to turn around bad form.
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I don't think a manager that has Silva's record should be blindly followed.

I just don't think we should sack him in the middle of his first season, after 1 window (halfway through a second) - especially when the players brought in in window no.1 have been typically the best parts of the campaign so far.

There have been positives and negatives. At the moment, the negatives are outweighing the positives.

But it needs time. If we get to the summer and think it's not worth going on, then at least we've given it some time. I don't think we will, I think we'll persist but the pressure will be cranked up and if he can't handle it then so be it.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Are you seriously suggesting a Premier League winning manager is as much as a gamble as Marco Silva, who has lost 30 of 66 Premier League games?

Jesus Christ.
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While Conte is undoubtedly a better manager than Silva, I think the point @BlueToff is trying to get across is that he arguably wouldn't offer long-term progression.

Yes short-term success is more likely (say winning a cup) but he showed at Chelsea that he alienates even the best of players which can have a long-term impact.

How much would he require wage-wise? What transfer kitty would he demand? Would it bring us our long-term aim of stability and prosperity? That's the issue.

For all it pains me, I think we need a manager more in the mould of that shower's - Herr Klopp - who is willing to build over a period of time within their means.

The verdict is still out with Silva however I expect that if he can show that the club is going in the right trajectory, with him the man to maintain it, he'll keep his job.
 

Megatron said:
You are bypassing the question, we'd have a 'top' manager but we'd still be paying him, Silva, Koeman, Allardyce and Martinez, the former would be on your proposed super mega wage so again how would that be good for the balance book paying 5 managerial wages and their teams?
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It’s the situation we find ourselves in due to Moshiri’s negligence.

Silva will probably have us around 15th at the end of the season. That’ll be around £7m in prize money down. That is one of their salaries right there.

We can’t sfford to be keeping a manager that isn’t producing results.
 
PhilM said:
While Conte is undoubtedly a better manager than Silva, I think the point @BlueToff is trying to get across is that he arguably wouldn't offer long-term progression.

Yes short-term success is more likely (say winning a cup) but he showed at Chelsea that he alienates even the best of players which can have a long-term impact.

How much would he require wage-wise? What transfer kitty would he demand? Would it bring us our long-term aim of stability and prosperity? That's the issue.

For all it pains me, I think we need a manager more in the mould of that shower's - Herr Klopp - who is willing to build over a period of time within their means.

The verdict is still out with Silva however I expect that if he can show that the club is going in the right trajectory, with him the man to maintain it, he'll keep his job.
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Exactly this.

I also don't think Conte would guarantee short term success. Bloody hell, I'd be delighted with a cup - we all would - but I don't think he'd guarantee it because - as you say - we'd just need to spend another £300m to get players who are good enough to win us something.

@GwladysBlue I am in no way suggesting that Silva is as good as Conte, btw.
 

BlueToff said:
Everton and West Ham's squads are currently of a very similar level.

I'd say we have a better goalkeeper - just.

I'd say we have a better left-back. You could probably split the CBs 1 each. Coleman over Zabaleta.

Midfield, we'd edge it.

But in attack, they have far more quality. Far more.

Now, should we be doing better than them? Considering their start to the season, yes. We should be. But are they just as inconsistent as us under this so called top manager? Yes.
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I don't think they have far more quality in attack (perhaps if all fully fit, I'd choose their attacking lot over ours if we couldn't pick and choose), that is, if we're taking into account our wingers Bernard, Lookman and Walcott, our number 10 Sigurdsson and strikers Tosun and DCL.

Don't they only have Arnautovic, Lanzini, Carroll, Chicharito, Yarmolenko and Felipe Anderson as their attacking options? Yarmolenko and Lanzini are out all season, Carroll is constantly injured and Chicharito is out of favour, leaving just Arnautovic and Anderson.

We have a fully fit squad and still can't beat teams.
 
BlueToff said:
Arnautovic
Felipe Anderson
Lanzini (granted, he's injured)
Hernandez

Which one of those would you not take over our current forwards?
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I'd firstly look at the tactics before pointing the finger at the manager. Felipe Anderson was an inspired signing, Arnautovic is good but is leaving and a awful character to be at the club anyway, and Hernandez is as bad as Tosun.
 
GwladysBlue said:
It’s the situation we find ourselves in due to Moshiri’s negligence.

Silva will probably have us around 15th at the end of the season. That’ll be around £7m in prize money down. That is one of their salaries right there.

We can’t sfford to be keeping a manager that isn’t producing results.
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We can't afford to keep chopping and changing managers at the first sign of panic either, that's more negligent. If, big if, we do sack Silva and we let Brands make the appointment and we start having a dip in form, are people going to be patient and give him time or is the cycle going to continue?
 
Time time time, that's all I keep hearing

You essentially saying write of a season and give him a chance

He isn't showing improvement, the goals conceded are down to the formation and tactics which are down to silva.
 

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