2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Deleted member 38674]

Why? Because you want to win now.

Those games occurred less then 6 months into the life cycle of this regime the performances and set up illustrates to me we have a manager who can match the best tactically and put together a limited team to be competitive, that I think long term with his own o,Ayers is a decent foundation.

What did you expect this season, I’ve said all along what I expect is boom and bust football. I haven’t been proven wrong, I don’t think any other manager couldn’t have done any different.

All I see in this thread, is peop,e crotising a manger, scapegoating and wanting a quick fix. Exactly where we have been for the past three years and exactly why we are gash

Sorry, I can’t agree. I think that’s clutching at straws. Positivity is in short supply, I get it. If you only focus on the future, you don’t have to focus on the here and now.

If Marco had come in and spent a modest amount, comparatively, then i’d be more inclined to agree. But he hasn’t. He’s spent a small fortune, in line with the spend of the top six.

When you spend that sort of money, you expect it to accelerate progress. It naturally raises expectations. It’s not scapegoating, I think our fans are absolutely justified in demanding more.

At the very least, this season, I expected to see some positive signs that pointed to a brighter future. I didn’t think we’d be pulling up tree’s and breaking the top four but I thought it to be a reasonable expectation (given the expenditure) that we cement 7th and pull away from the rest. Get better results against the top six, and perhaps have a good cup run, maybe even sneak Europe.

In fact, we’ve regressed. The Football, at times, is as dour as anything we’ve been used to in the last few years. Do we play any more attractive togger now than Watford, Leicester, West Ham, Bournemouth or Wolves? The teams around us. I’m not sure that we do. I’m also not convinced that Silva is in any way tactically superior in comparison to other managers in the league.

Wolves entire squad had only a handful of Premier League appearances prior to being promoted. They have taken points off City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Spurs this season, and knocked Liverpool out of the cup. Watford’s new manager sold their best player to us, signed Del and sits above us. There has been no “new manager bounce” for us. Solskjaer has come in and won 7 on the spin with a squad that couldn’t buy a win before Christmas.

Do you grant a new manager a length of time irrespective of their results? Is that always the right thing to do? At what point does it become unacceptable to you? I’m not saying “Silva Out” is the right thing but you must know where the line is drawn. There should absolutely be concern and suggesting that any expression of concern is ill-founded or jumping the gun, is unfair.

Silva should, quite rightly, be under lots of pressure right now. If we continue at our current pace toward the end of the season we’ll finish around about 10th or 11th and enter next season with more questions than answers. This board has appointed the wrong manager before, as much as we don’t like to consider it as an option, they may well have done it again.

 

[Frang]

Bottom half finish and he's surely gone at the end of the season, i hope Moshiri has an end of season clause in his contract that if targets were'nt met we can terminate the contract, knowing Moshiri though......

being given top7 type money to spend and finishing anywhere in the bottom half will be the death of him

it has to be.

 

[Frang]

Sorry, I can’t agree. I think that’s clutching at straws. Positivity is in short supply, I get it. If you only focus on the future, you don’t have to focus on the here and now.

If Marco had come in and spent a modest amount, comparatively, then i’d be more inclined to agree. But he hasn’t. He’s spent a small fortune, in line with the spend of the top six.

When you spend that sort of money, you expect it to accelerate progress. It naturally raises expectations. It’s not scapegoating, I think our fans are absolutely justified in demanding more.

At the very least, this season, I expected to see some positive signs that pointed to a brighter future. I didn’t think we’d be pulling up tree’s and breaking the top four but I thought it to be a reasonable expectation (given the expenditure) that we cement 7th and pull away from the rest. Get better results against the top six, and perhaps have a good cup run, maybe even sneak Europe.

In fact, we’ve regressed. The Football, at times, is as dour as anything we’ve been used to in the last few years. Do we play any more attractive togger now than Watford, Leicester, West Ham, Bournemouth or Wolves? The teams around us. I’m not sure that we do. I’m also not convinced that Silva is in any way tactically superior in comparison to other managers in the league.

Wolves entire squad had only a handful of Premier League appearances prior to being promoted. They have taken points off City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Spurs this season, and knocked Liverpool out of the cup. Watford sold their best player to us, signed Del and sit above us. There has been no “new manager bounce”. Solskjaer has come in and won 7 on the spin with a squad that couldn’t buy a win before Christmas.

Do you grant a new manager time irrespective of their results? At what point does it become unacceptable to you? I’m not saying “Silva Out” is the right thing but you must know where the line is drawn. There should absolutely be concern.

this is about as fair as an assessment as I have read on here

very well put.

 

[hktoffee]

I'm just sick of the comparisons.

Sam did massive damage to us.

I cannot agree with you. He did what he was asked to do which was to save this club from relegation. He bought in Walcott and Tosun that’s about it. He at least won games at home against some dross. And this does not mean I like him and want him to stay.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yeah, don’t agree with most of that to be honest.

I’d wholly accept your right to your doubts and opinion, the rest of your post wouldn’t be my cup tea to be honest.

If you don't accept it's the manager's responsibility to improve results and performances, then who's remit is it lol

 

[Frang]

I'm just sick of the comparisons.

Sam did massive damage to us.

he signed tosun and Walcott. hardly massive damage compared to the 25 other signing made before him

sam is not at fault here. this time

 

[mkrudden]

being given top7 type money to spend and finishing anywhere in the bottom half will be the death of him

it has to be.

With the greatest respect, you continue to say the same thing over and over.

We get it.

 

[mkrudden]

I cannot agree with you. He did what he was asked to do which was to save this club from relegation. He bought in Walcott and Tosun that’s about it. He at least won games at home against some dross. And this does not mean I like him and want him to stay.

I'd certainly agree with this.

The damage was already done when Sam came in.

 

[Frang]

With the greatest respect, you continue to say the same thing over and over.

We get it.

I will continue to point out all of silva defecincies

 

[Neiler]

Sorry, I can’t agree. I think that’s clutching at straws. Positivity is in short supply, I get it. If you only focus on the future, you don’t have to focus on the here and now.

If Marco had come in and spent a modest amount, comparatively, then i’d be more inclined to agree. But he hasn’t. He’s spent a small fortune, in line with the spend of the top six.

When you spend that sort of money, you expect it to accelerate progress. It naturally raises expectations. It’s not scapegoating, I think our fans are absolutely justified in demanding more.

At the very least, this season, I expected to see some positive signs that pointed to a brighter future. I didn’t think we’d be pulling up tree’s and breaking the top four but I thought it to be a reasonable expectation (given the expenditure) that we cement 7th and pull away from the rest. Get better results against the top six, and perhaps have a good cup run, maybe even sneak Europe.

In fact, we’ve regressed. The Football, at times, is as dour as anything we’ve been used to in the last few years. Do we play any more attractive togger now than Watford, Leicester, West Ham, Bournemouth or Wolves? The teams around us. I’m not sure that we do. I’m also not convinced that Silva is in any way tactically superior in comparison to other managers in the league.

Wolves entire squad had only a handful of Premier League appearances prior to being promoted. They have taken points off City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Spurs this season, and knocked Liverpool out of the cup. Watford sold their best player to us, signed Del and sit above us. There has been no “new manager bounce”. Solskjaer has come in and won 7 on the spin with a squad that couldn’t buy a win before Christmas.

Do you grant a new manager time irrespective of their results? At what point does it become unacceptable to you? I’m not saying “Silva Out” is the right thing but you must know where the line is drawn. There should absolutely be concern.

That a good post mate.

I don’t agree and my approach and opinion would be different, but a good post.

To answer your question, results for me are more important in time, year 2 or year 3 would be when you see my thoughts align with some of the reactionary stuff here. I would mitigate that with context, the off the field peice and playing side can’t be separated presently.

I believe if you employ a manager they should get three years minimum to implement a philosophey and build. The caveat I would have their is if their is a realistic chance of relegation.

Drawing in concluioms on the short term, has undermined the club so much in three years, I see the reactionary stuff in this thread as that. Go back 300 pages and you will see many of the same people nailing Silva now glorifying him a couple of months back. Says it all really.

 

[hktoffee]

I'd certainly agree with this.

The damage was already done when Sam came in.

It was Walsh and Koeman. Walsh was the dol he should take more responsibility on the failure. The cash we had flushed down the toilet...oh well.

 

[4737carlin]

Ok. Still bloody crap records at home and has 5 home games against the top 6. 38 games we will see if he does anything worse than Fat Sam.

These last home games, if we had Sam still I'd be more confident!!!

 

[mkrudden]

I will continue to point out all of silva defecincies

*deficiencies

and ok mate, you do that.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

We've only got 1 point against any of the top 6 teams, which is an indictment of how far away from challenging those teams. I think we've largely been pretty awful this season, we've only really beaten average teams at home. We had a few good results away from home, such as Burnley and Leicester, but mostly we've been pretty poor. The loss at Anfield in my opinion destroyed or confidence.

 

[Neiler]

If you don't accept it's the manager's responsibility to improve results and performances, then who's remit is it lol

Yours.