New Everton Stadium

[Steve Wigan]

It was mentioned a while back.....would love something like this.......

Down by the river, that would be a bit like playing/watching football in a wind tunnel. Ever tried walking along the front ay the Albert Dock on a really windy day?

 

[terry nodder]

Thought so. Surely if they want to replicate the Goodison atmosphere they would have to get as close as this? 9m they are quoting Roma is par for the course and nothing to get excited about.

That's my thinking too. Although it would seem on the Roma video they have made it look a lot closer then the 9m it would actually be.

Thanks, TErry.

 

[kithnou]

That's my thinking too. Although it would seem on the Roma video they have made it look a lot closer then the 9m it would actually be.

Thanks, TErry.

4 steep sides no further from the pitch than what presently at Goodison if it's posssible please.

 

[maccavennie]

Like maccavennie in November with the Argos catalogue...

I want this one, and I want that one and that one...

fixed for you mj

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Down by the river, that would be a bit like playing/watching football in a wind tunnel. Ever tried walking along the front ay the Albert Dock on a really windy day?

Given the location, a breezy riverside in a northern city, it is a nailed on certainty that the stadium will be totally enclosed with no gaps or holes and with a lot of roofing to cover all the spectators. I noticed at Sunderland last week, the amount of roofing they have is immense, right out to the touchlines.

 

[RobSpurs]

The pitch is 100m at Goodison and I suspect this will be larger but if not then it's about a tenth of the pitch. That seems pretty close.

The new stadium pitch will be 105x68m, which is FIFA standard. Every new-build stadium in recent years has this pitch size.

 

[BNJ1878]

Thought so. Surely if they want to replicate the Goodison atmosphere they would have to get as close as this? 9m they are quoting Roma is par for the course and nothing to get excited about.

I may be wrong, but I'd imagine all new stadia need to comply with some governing body design regs, distance to pitch being one of them.

 

[kithnou]

I may be wrong, but I'd imagine all new stadia need to comply with some governing body design regs, distance to pitch being one of them.

That is my fear as well. It has crossed my mind.

 

[MickA]

I may be wrong, but I'd imagine all new stadia need to comply with some governing body design regs, distance to pitch being one of them.

As well as regulations there will be practical things such as size of advertising for UEFA/FIFA games to take into consideration. It's why many older stadiums can't/don't sell the first few rows at Euro games.

 

[RobSpurs]

I may be wrong, but I'd imagine all new stadia need to comply with some governing body design regs, distance to pitch being one of them.

As well as regulations there will be practical things such as size of advertising for UEFA/FIFA games to take into consideration. It's why many older stadiums can't/don't sell the first few rows at Euro games.

Unlike pitch size, which is fixed by FIFA at 105x68m for new-builds, distances to the pitch stated by FIFA are only recommendations. So you can try to get as close as you can. The reason I think UEFA tarps off front rows is to stop people hanging banners over their pitch side advertising.

The other thing to consider, especially when looking at an architect's past work (and the new AS Roma Stadium), is that in this country we have stricter laws on how steep newly-built stands can be. I haven't got time right now to find the exact rakes allowed, but I'm certain it's less than most countries.

 

[The Cowboy]

Down by the river, that would be a bit like playing/watching football in a wind tunnel. Ever tried walking along the front ay the Albert Dock on a really windy day?

That's a big window at the end though, it's not a big gaping hole.

 

[matchworks]

Unlike pitch size, which is fixed by FIFA at 105x68m for new-builds, distances to the pitch stated by FIFA are only recommendations. So you can try to get as close as you can. The reason I think UEFA tarps off front rows is to stop people hanging banners over their pitch side advertising.

The other thing to consider, especially when looking at an architect's past work (and the new AS Roma Stadium), is that in this country we have stricter laws on how steep newly-built stands can be. I haven't got time right now to find the exact rakes allowed, but I'm certain it's less than most countries.

It is more to do with the advertising boards being higher in European competition.

 

[Barca Blue]

https://realla.co/commercial-proper...yside-l3-0ap/0bb333145838847aeb002f7381ca9bcc

 

[PhilM]

Given the location, a breezy riverside in a northern city, it is a nailed on certainty that the stadium will be totally enclosed with no gaps or holes and with a lot of roofing to cover all the spectators. I noticed at Sunderland last week, the amount of roofing they have is immense, right out to the touchlines.

We don't want a situation like at the Britannia (which it will always be known by) where it's situation and open ends allows huge gusts of wind.

On a cold, wintry day by the Mersey the conditions can be pretty dire so any design would have to take that into consideration.

https://realla.co/commercial-proper...yside-l3-0ap/0bb333145838847aeb002f7381ca9bcc

Thank you anyway, but I think this is about the tenth time this link has been posted in the past few days.

 

[Jacko93]

Unlike pitch size, which is fixed by FIFA at 105x68m for new-builds, distances to the pitch stated by FIFA are only recommendations. So you can try to get as close as you can. The reason I think UEFA tarps off front rows is to stop people hanging banners over their pitch side advertising.

The other thing to consider, especially when looking at an architect's past work (and the new AS Roma Stadium), is that in this country we have stricter laws on how steep newly-built stands can be. I haven't got time right now to find the exact rakes allowed, but I'm certain it's less than most countries.

37.5º is the generally accepted figure. But this is in fact only a recommendation. Its all about whats called the 'C' value, and thats how they set out the rake etc of a stand. The measure of visible sight lines, ideally not below 90mm.
The steps for access and egress though, that's another thing, they cant be at a higher rake than 37.5º. There are ways around this, but they increase the cost considerably and can lead to a loss of seating area. Hence most stands following that.

When I was looking at the SupraStadio, I got it wrong by attributing the access rake to the seating rake, in which case would have made the design unworkable, however, they had got away with this by angling the steps along the steeper areas, similar to how you lower the gradient up a mountain.

Its possible we could be working to height constraints on the stadium, which those (if they exist) along with the site boundary constraints will play no small part in the seating gradient, and therefore the capacity.

Wembley for example, the low gradient of its lower tier means that a change of a few mm in the gradient would lead to the loss of a few meters at the back, the low gradient did in fact lead to staggered seats in order to maintain an acceptable 'c' value. By trying to get that amount of seats in such an area without the rake though, would have led to top tier heights that would be far from ideal.