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New Everton Stadium

mill said:
No way are we filling a 60k seater regularly. No way.
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Why make life easy for the marketing department? At the end of the day the more plentiful the product the more competitive the pricing will be so it's good for us all. If we keep getting attendances of 38k do you think they will just shrug their shoulders and continue with the same rates? Supply and demand! Even if you sold 20k seats at £15 that's £300k more than we make now per game (not taking into effect the premium seating we will have) plus there are 20k more people to possibly buy food/drinks.

It's all about how long Moshiri is willing to subsidise ticket prices. If you can have cheap tickets for 5-10 years you are basically raising a generation of fans to go to the game, they get hooked and will inevitably pay the price hikes that will come along in future.

Make no mistake this will be a turf war between the club's to attract new fans and if that lot are still charging £50 for standard tickets and we can do say £40 for adult & a child the club benefits from that as you are getting an acorn that one day will be the one who is putting his (or her) hand in their pockets to pay for tickets and hopefully who will then take their children to the stadium. It's the circle of life and I'd rather they are blues than reds we have a great chance to start doing this en masse.

At the end of the day capacity size is not our concern, if Moshiri and Everton think they can pay the extra to have a 60k stadium then great. If they think that's risky and they can't lower the prices we'll have a 55 or 50k one.
 
Don't get the fears about Empty seats. We have games with empty seats now, no one bats an eyelid. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Goodson was recognised time and time again as the finest stadium in the land. Our new ground should have the same ambition. To be the best you have to believe and build with that in mind. Why can't Everton be revered in the future like a Barca or Bayern? If we get the academy and team delivering, and become the finest in the land and Europe again you don't want to be revisiting stadium designs within 20 years of building it to suddenly accommodate what you didn't have the ambition or foresight to see in advance. It would mean paying far more in the future to make changes due to inflation and over a Stadium's lifetime it would make commercial sense as an investment to think big now and own something enormous and intimidating to any opposition paying once than continuously modifying and upgrading every 10 years. Yes initially and occasionally there would be some empty seats for some games, but there would be more people at the ground regardless of the total capacity than what we get now, and more people in a correctly designed stadium with our passion and support would make it as difficult a place to go an anywhere. Make it huge and the get everyone endeavouring from top to bottom to become the best in the world, to match the fans and the stadium.

80k and bloody love it.
 
The Cowboy said:
Flexible between 50 and 60, but I don't mind really, so long as it doesn't involve naff screens or simply covering seats with tarpaulin. If they can make retractable roofs, then they can make stand roofs that slide to cover rows of seats.

Failing that, the upper corners could be sealed off as they're generally the least attractive of all seats.
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It all depends what type of stadium we have, if say we go for an NFL type one with 4/5 tiers who is going to really notice if the top one is not in use? Sorry to use the same picture I already used in this thread but for example would it really be that bad for atmosphere or TV if the top tier on the left was empty? All the ST holders will be in the lower tiers so you expect these to be full and that's where we really need it to be busy in my book.

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gorgeousgeorgeEFC said:
It would be both embarrassing and damaging to our brand if we were to build a stadium on the docks that's even smaller than Anfield. It would just confirm our status as the city's inferior club. No one's saying we should try to put Old Trafford in the shade, but if it's going to be smaller than Anfield and smaller than Spurs' new stadium (61,000 all-seater), then we might as well not bother.

I know that some are concerned that we would be unable to fill a stadium with a capacity of over 60,000 (not that failing to fill our new stadium would be detrimental to us in any way), but our highest ever attendance is close to 80,000. And a move to a new stadium almost always increases attendances massively. Arsenal could never fill Highbury, which had a capacity of just 38,000. Conversely, the Emirates, a 60,000 all-seater, is always packed.
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Juventus don't seem to have such insecurities.
There's also a lot of people claiming that Arsenal couldn't sell out Highbury. That is complete nonsense. Arsenal had a huge waiting list for tickets before moving from Highbury. It was almost impossible to get a ticket for years if you weren't a season ticket holder.

55k with the facility to increase to 60 would be ideal imo.
 
are we getting ahead of ourselves I'm thinking, designs, capacity etc etc, no announcement yet remember. we'd look a right bunch of fools if in 12 months times there's no change, and other certain clubs get hold of the thread....
 

Bilko said:
are we getting ahead of ourselves I'm thinking, designs, capacity etc etc, no announcement yet remember. we'd look a right bunch of fools if in 12 months times there's no change, and other certain clubs get hold of the thread....
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You're right, lock the thread mods, no need to discuss our new stadium in case an opposition fan sees us talking about it
 
gorgeousgeorgeEFC said:
It would be both embarrassing and damaging to our brand if we were to build a stadium on the docks that's even smaller than Anfield. It would just confirm our status as the city's inferior club. No one's saying we should try to put Old Trafford in the shade, but if it's going to be smaller than Anfield and smaller than Spurs' new stadium (61,000 all-seater), then we might as well not bother.

I know that some are concerned that we would be unable to fill a stadium with a capacity of over 60,000 (not that failing to fill our new stadium would be detrimental to us in any way), but our highest ever attendance is close to 80,000. And a move to a new stadium almost always increases attendances massively. Arsenal could never fill Highbury, which had a capacity of just 38,000. Conversely, the Emirates, a 60,000 all-seater, is always packed.
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Liverpool have just spent oodles on a new stand that they're lauding as one of the visible-from-ISS wonders of the world, but Anfield is still smaller than OT and no-one's bothered.

We shouldn't be influenced by them - we should build what suits our needs, irrespective of the fans of Liverpool FC's thoughts on the matter.
 
Gardocki said:
Juventus don't seem to have such insecurities.
There's also a lot of people claiming that Arsenal couldn't sell out Highbury. That is complete nonsense. Arsenal had a huge waiting list for tickets before moving from Highbury. It was almost impossible to get a ticket for years if you weren't a season ticket holder.

55k with the facility to increase to 60 would be ideal imo.
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That's just not true. Look at the stats.

During 2001, the year that Arsenal began one of their greatest ever title winning seasons, Arsenal's average attendance was 37,979. Highbury had a capacity of 38,500.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/arse.htm
 

The binman chronicles said:
It all depends what type of stadium we have, if say we go for an NFL type one with 4/5 tiers who is going to really notice if the top one is not in use? Sorry to use the same picture I already used in this thread but for example would it really be that bad for atmosphere or TV if the top tier on the left was empty? All the ST holders will be in the lower tiers so you expect these to be full and that's where we really need it to be busy in my book.

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It's what I was thinking, too ;)
 
Groucho said:
Liverpool have just spent oodles on a new stand that they're lauding as one of the visible-from-ISS wonders of the world, but Anfield is still smaller than OT and no-one's bothered.

We shouldn't be influenced by them - we should build what suits our needs, irrespective of the fans of Liverpool FC's thoughts on the matter.
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They've only redeveloped one stand. Who knows how big Anfield will be once they've redeveloped the Anfield Road Stand?

No domestic British stadium will ever compete with Old Trafford, but if we end up with a smaller stadium than Spurs for the first time in history and a smaller stadium than the still-to-be-finished Anfield, I will personally be disappointed.

It's unlikely that we wouldn't be able to fill a big stadium on a regular basis, but it wouldn't be that detrimental to us if we did have a few thousand empty seats every now and then. Surely we'd be better off having a new stadium that's too big than one that's too small.
 
gorgeousgeorgeEFC said:
They've only redeveloped one stand. Who knows how big Anfield will be once they've redeveloped the Anfield Road Stand?

No domestic British stadium will ever compete with Old Trafford, but if we end up with a smaller stadium than Spurs for the first time in history and a smaller stadium than the still-to-be-finished Anfield, I will personally be disappointed.

It's unlikely that we wouldn't be able to fill a big stadium on a regular basis, but it wouldn't be that detrimental to us if we did have a few thousand empty seats every now and then. Surely we'd be better off having a new stadium that's too big than one that's too small.
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At what point do we call time?

80k? 100k? 200k?
 
Emulating another clubs stadium capacity should be at the very bottom of a stadium build wishlist. The new stadium has to be right for the club regardless of what other clubs do.

A 50-55k seater stadium in the right location, with the right design would be fantastic.
 

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