New Everton Stadium

[orly]

I'll simplify it then: you originally claimed that the Williams story came from South Wales and Bolasie came from a journalist in London.

So I'm suggesting that's where they have originated from; from their parent club and not from Everton leaking it to them in some bizarre way.

And to support this, I said that why not speak to the national press or a local journalist (didn't say Echo). You then said we speak to Paul Joyce.

So again, why didn't we leak it directly to him? Why go around the houses to leak a story which wasn't beneficial to the club? It makes no sense.

All our reputed in the know sources seem to have known very little, so I hold no weight with all that all; again supporting my view we're secure.

Yet you again bring up snippets that suggest we're a leaky club but have in no way been confirmed and I haven't suggested otherwise - you have!

Nor did I mention the Echo. I'm simply suggesting that the club speak to very little whereas you're implying we're some media savvy machine.

Nor did I mention the Echo. I'm simply suggesting that the club speak to very little whereas you're implying we're some media savvy machine.

Not in the slightest. I'm saying the absence of news is NOT because we've finally decided to keep everything in-house; the absence of news is because there is no news to share!

So again, why didn't we leak it directly to him? Why go around the houses to leak a story which wasn't beneficial to the club? It makes no sense.

What on earth are you going on about here? For some reason, you seem to be suggesting all leaks are intended, beneficial to the club. Couldn't be any further from the truth. Indeed, if you look at some of the stuff given to Paul Joyce post-transfer window, it seemed that it was Kenwright and Co lobbying against Moshiri / Koeman / Walsh, 'losing our values' etc etc.

And let me just check here - you don't think there is any benefit whatsoever of a potential purchasing club making their interest in a player known through the media? You know, like United did forever and a day with Rooney, the best example. Incredibly naive.

Sorry mate, you've tied yourself in knots here.

 

[The Cowboy]

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If the games goes ahead it will make use of existing infrastructure for the track and field events. They wont be building a specific stadium to host it in.

They should be.

 

[PhilM]

Not in the slightest. I'm saying the absence of news is NOT because we've finally decided to keep everything in-house; the absence of news is because there is no news to share!

And let me just check here - you don't think there is any benefit whatsoever of a potential purchasing club making their interest in a player known through the media? You know, like United did forever and a day with Rooney, the best example. Incredibly naive.

Sorry mate, you've tied yourself in knots here.

I am inclined to believe there is news, in this case progression with the stadium, but currently it's not to our benefit for it to be released.

And with regards to leaking of information it can be required in certain circumstances, although it certainly isn't always necessary.

I'd say this is shown by Stekelenburg and co appearing relatively unannounced. And if intentional, why leak to obscure sources local to the seller?

My point is I'm more inclined to believe we'd go through the likes of Joyce (as you mentioned) or mainstream media where it'd be more influential.

Although to be fair I see no real need in either situation that we were required to, rather the simpler option of it emerging from the selling club.

We put in offer.... Swansea and Palace receive it.... somebody from the club or linked to the player release it to sources close to them.

Not hard to understand is? And I would say making the interest public is in fact detrimental as it allows clubs to come in and gazump you.

 

[orly]

I am inclined to believe there is news, in this case progression with the stadium, but currently it's not to our benefit for it to be released.

And with regards to leaking of information it can be required in certain circumstances, although it certainly isn't always necessary.

I'd say this is shown by Stekelenburg and co appearing relatively unannounced. And if intentional, why leak to obscure sources local to the seller?

My point is I'm more inclined to believe we'd go through the likes of Joyce (as you mentioned) or mainstream media where it'd be more influential.

Although to be fair I see no real need in either situation that we were required to, rather the simpler option of it emerging from the selling club.

We put in offer.... Swansea and Palace receive it.... somebody from the club or linked to the player release it to sources close to them.

Not hard to understand is? And I would say making the interest public is in fact detrimental as it allows clubs to come in and gazump you.

You've actually, genuinely, changed your point halfway through here. At least you've worked out now what we've been trying to explain.

I am inclined to believe there is news, in this case progression with the stadium, but currently it's not to our benefit for it to be released.

Really? Why would that be then? You don't think it would benefit Everton whatsoever to show to the world we mean business and are about to build a world class stadium, and hey big sponsors, get in now because you'll all want to be involved? And hey our money-spending fans, stick with us, I know the summer was a letdown but here's the biggest statement of intent we could ever make?

Come on. Even you can't believe this now.

 

[allen]

Any way you can be certain of that?

Genuine question, because they were leaked, which rather disproves the idea that it's now this tight ship outfit.

Frankly I don't particularly care either way, but on balance the information suggests it wasn't Everton.

 

[PhilM]

You've actually, genuinely, changed your point halfway through here. At least you've worked out now what we've been trying to explain.

Really? Why would that be then? You don't think it would benefit Everton whatsoever to show to the world we mean business and are about to build a world class stadium, and hey big sponsors, get in now because you'll all want to be involved? And hey our money-spending fans, stick with us, I know the summer was a letdown but here's the biggest statement of intent we could ever make?

Come on. Even you can't believe this now.

I haven't changed my view. I'm saying I don't think we've leaked to the press at all, yet if we were to we'd go through the likes of Joyce et al.

We wouldn't release it to some minor source well away from our own fan base, which would have little or no benefit to the actual transfer.

That is something you're attempting to suggest has occurred. And with regards to the stadium I'd like to point back both to KD and Kirby.

In both cases the whole momentum for each project spiralled out of control when the actual fundamentals of each deal were not secured.

They had appeared to be certainties helped by comments from within the club, thus when both collapsed the furore was understandably immense.

I doubt the club would want that occur to again so until all or many of the necessary blocks are in place then I'd suggest they'll hold their tongue.

That could be a full feasibility report, a proposal including preliminary designs, financial agreements in principle agree and some council support.

Moshiri's purchase was pretty low key so why change tact now and start boasting to the world before the actual fundamental work is complete.

When it's all completed in principle then we'll hear more and not before hand; and that includes talking to sponsors which does need to be public.

I'd rather have some period of uncertainty rather than the club promising a new stadium and then it falling through - now that would be foolhardy.

I doubt Moshiri is too bothered about Bob from Kirby or Dave from Maghull being a bit peeved about not being kept totally up to date.

 

[Goat]

I haven't changed my view. I'm saying I don't think we've leaked to the press at all, yet if we were to we'd go through the likes of Joyce et al.

We wouldn't release it to some minor source well away from our own fan base, which would have little or no benefit to the actual transfer.

That is something you're attempting to suggest has occurred. And with regards to the stadium I'd like to point back both to KD and Kirby.

In both cases the whole momentum for each project spiralled out of control when the actual fundamentals of each deal were not secured.

They had appeared to be certainties helped by comments from within the club, thus when both collapsed the furore was understandably immense.

I doubt the club would want that occur to again so until all or many of the necessary blocks are in place then I'd suggest they'll hold their tongue.

That could be a full feasibility report, a proposal including preliminary designs, financial agreements in principle agree and some council support.

Moshiri's purchase was pretty low key so why change tact now and start boasting to the world before the actual fundamental work is complete.

When it's all completed in principle then we'll hear more and not before hand; and that includes talking to sponsors which does need to be public.

I'd rather have some period of uncertainty rather than the club promising a new stadium and then it falling through - now that would be foolhardy.

I doubt Moshiri is too bothered about Bob from Kirby or Dave from Maghull being a bit peeved about not being kept totally up to date.

Thats a crap poem that lad.

 

[orly]

I haven't changed my view. I'm saying I don't think we've leaked to the press at all, yet if we were to we'd go through the likes of Joyce et al.

We wouldn't release it to some minor source well away from our own fan base, which would have little or no benefit to the actual transfer.

That is something you're attempting to suggest has occurred. And with regards to the stadium I'd like to point back both to KD and Kirby.

In both cases the whole momentum for each project spiralled out of control when the actual fundamentals of each deal were not secured.

They had appeared to be certainties helped by comments from within the club, thus when both collapsed the furore was understandably immense.

I doubt the club would want that occur to again so until all or many of the necessary blocks are in place then I'd suggest they'll hold their tongue.

That could be a full feasibility report, a proposal including preliminary designs, financial agreements in principle agree and some council support.

Moshiri's purchase was pretty low key so why change tact now and start boasting to the world before the actual fundamental work is complete.

When it's all completed in principle then we'll hear more and not before hand; and that includes talking to sponsors which does need to be public.

I'd rather have some period of uncertainty rather than the club promising a new stadium and then it falling through - now that would be foolhardy.

I doubt Moshiri is too bothered about Bob from Kirby or Dave from Maghull being a bit peeved about not being kept totally up to date.

We wouldn't release it to some minor source well away from our own fan base, which would have little or no benefit to the actual transfer.
That is something you're attempting to suggest has occurred. And with regards to the stadium I'd like to point back both to KD and Kirby.

Literally, categorically, manifestly, whatever you like ly, that is the TOTAL OPPOSITE THAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING.

I'm saying, there's been no leak, because there is no real progress to report. If there had been, we'd have heard about it through official (the club) or unofficial channels (Paul Joyce / Jim White etc etc). And not, as I have laboured to point out but you've gone off on a bizarre tangent again, the minor source tosh.

 

[Toffeelover]

I've said it countless times - they need to build a 25-30k athletics arena and develop the city as the athletics centre of excellence for the UK. Forget about tenants.

There is land available for that at Croxteth.

 

[Toffeelover]

I haven't changed my view. I'm saying I don't think we've leaked to the press at all, yet if we were to we'd go through the likes of Joyce et al.

We wouldn't release it to some minor source well away from our own fan base, which would have little or no benefit to the actual transfer.

That is something you're attempting to suggest has occurred. And with regards to the stadium I'd like to point back both to KD and Kirby.

In both cases the whole momentum for each project spiralled out of control when the actual fundamentals of each deal were not secured.

They had appeared to be certainties helped by comments from within the club, thus when both collapsed the furore was understandably immense.

I doubt the club would want that occur to again so until all or many of the necessary blocks are in place then I'd suggest they'll hold their tongue.

That could be a full feasibility report, a proposal including preliminary designs, financial agreements in principle agree and some council support.

Moshiri's purchase was pretty low key so why change tact now and start boasting to the world before the actual fundamental work is complete.

When it's all completed in principle then we'll hear more and not before hand; and that includes talking to sponsors which does need to be public.

I'd rather have some period of uncertainty rather than the club promising a new stadium and then it falling through - now that would be foolhardy.

I doubt Moshiri is too bothered about Bob from Kirby or Dave from Maghull being a bit peeved about not being kept totally up to date.

Really cannot read this with the double spacing!

 

[The Cowboy]

There is land available for that at Croxteth.

Indeed there is, and it'd be ideally located for the whole of the North West's best athletes to train.

 

[bluesb1970]

There is no update currently to give. Club is looking at 3 options with the most desirable and problematic being the docks. Nothing has changed yet so no updates to give, apart from the £20-30 mil being wrong for the land, its less than that.

 

[Goat]

There is no update currently to give. Club is looking at 3 options with the most desirable and problematic being the docks. Nothing has changed yet so no updates to give, apart from the £20-30 mil being wrong for the land, its less than that.

So the suggestion that land has already been acquired is wrong in your view?

 

[Bullet]

I'm a pretty lazy guy and lack the willpower and probably the mental capacity to find out for myself - can anyone with a realistic perspective tell me if this is something concrete to get excited about yet?

The Mayor hinted about progress at BM. The club stated all options were being considered.
Meiss architects were engaged but that appears to have been well before Moshiri invested. Dan Meiss hinted at a feasibility study.
Some on here have reported, in good faith, rumours of the BM site being purchased but this seems highly unlikely to me at this stage, without planning.
An option agreement may have been taken out though. Overall, nothing concrete but enough hints to suggest some progress.

 

[Bally8]

I've said it countless times - they need to build a 25-30k athletics arena and develop the city as the athletics centre of excellence for the UK. Forget about tenants.

Surely that won't bring anywhere near the same levels of regeneration though?

Not to sure if that would work out.

Sorry I am assuming this is in relation to a Stonebridge cross site