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New Everton Stadium

ToffeeDoug said:
....covering noise, traffic flows, emissions, newts, archaeology, bat colonies, height of the building, impact on the skyline, nesting birds, heritage issues, increased river traffic, nearby railways, car parking, location of the contractor's village and anything else Joe Public would want to throw into the mix.
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Like I said, everything :D
 
ToffeeDoug said:
....covering noise, traffic flows, emissions, newts, archaeology, bat colonies, height of the building, impact on the skyline, nesting birds, heritage issues, increased river traffic, nearby railways, car parking, location of the contractor's village and anything else Joe Public would want to throw into the mix.
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So per my original question - nothing about the site itself in terms of structural suitability?
 
Everton/Moshiri would undoubtedly engage a prestigious firm of planning consultants to help with the planning permission process, advising on the content of our submission, covering every angle and helping to lobby the most important stakeholders in order to expedite the process to our advantage.
 
The Cowboy said:
I'm guessing that surveys of the site to ensure its fit to develop are taking place whilst the planning process is going on? Does planning permission just consider the impact to the area and neighbouring properties, or does it look into the actual suitability of the land itself?
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I'm sure there would be an element of this involved, but only in so far as ensuring that the plans include detailed and extensive reports by reputable engineers confirming the suitability of the land itself. Pretty certain that the council wouldn't go to the expense of having these reports checked independently.

The planning process itself is a huge undertaking though and I don't think it can be automatically assumed that consent will be given. Heritage, environment, transport, infrastructure, parking, local community are amongst many factors that will need to be taken into account, not to mention the impact that upto 60,000 people converging on one place on match days may have. For instance, it is possible that Liverpool may need to give up it's world heritage status if the proposals go through.

However, I think it's clear that the council want the stadium to go ahead, and I'm sure that ongoing discussions are taking place between the planning dept and Everton FC and their architects to try and make sure any potential barriers can be overcome.
 

The Cowboy said:
So per my original question - nothing about the site itself in terms of structural suitability?
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I'm sure that would be covered, maybe with input from the Council's Building Control and Environmental Teams, they would undertake their own research when assessing the detail of the planning submission and detailed stadium plans. There would also be health & safety considerations, pedestrian and vehicle access to the site, making the actual riverfront safe, walkways, pinch-points etc.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I'm sure there would be an element of this involved, but only in so far as ensuring that the plans include detailed and extensive reports by reputable engineers confirming the suitability of the land itself. Pretty certain that the council wouldn't go to the expense of having these reports checked independently.

The planning process itself is a huge undertaking though and I don't think it can be automatically assumed that consent will be given. Heritage, environment, transport, infrastructure, parking, local community are amongst many factors that will need to be taken into account, not to mention the impact that upto 60,000 people converging on one place on match days may have. For instance, it is possible that Liverpool may need to give up it's world heritage status if the proposals go through.

However, I think it's clear that the council want the stadium to go ahead, and I'm sure that ongoing discussions are taking place between the planning dept and Everton FC and their architects to try and make sure any potential barriers can be overcome.
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As someone who doesn't know much about any of that side of things, that all seems plausible to me. Makes it even more amusing that loads of our fans demand immediate answers and updates when there is so much to it.

Imagine they officially confirmed we'd purchased the land only for it to fall through for whatever reason. I can't take that happening, especially with all the premature goading of the RS that would go on, only for them to throw it back in our faces which seems like a horrifyingly "Everton" like scenario lol.

I'm encouraged by what certain posters have said on here, but no where near ready to believe it's all going to run smoothly, especially with the RS likely to do their best to stop us.
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
I'm fairly certain structural suitability would have been studied at the outset as a priority, otherwise a considerable amount of money and time would have been wasted at this point, successful businessmen waste neither.
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Agree. The engineers/structural investigations would have been one of the first undertakings once the club had established the site as a possible and affordable alternative.
 
EFC78 said:
As someone who doesn't know much about any of that side of things, that all seems plausible to me. Makes it even more amusing that loads of our fans demand immediate answers and updates when there is so much to it.

Imagine they officially confirmed we'd purchased the land only for it to fall through for whatever reason. I can't take that happening, especially with all the premature goading of the RS that would go on, only for them to throw it back in our faces which seems like a horrifyingly "Everton" like scenario lol.

I'm encouraged by what certain posters have said on here, but no where near ready to believe it's all going to run smoothly, especially with the RS likely to do their best to stop us.
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Esk and Jacko 93 are adamant that an agreement with Peel is already in place and, whilst I'm not disputing this, it can only be a handshake agreement or, at best, an option to buy. There's no way the club would commit to purchase without planning consent but, equally, there's also no way they would go through the considerable cost of planning application without the knowledge that there was a deal on the table. So I wouldn't worry too much about that side of it mate.

I think you're also right in saying that most fans underestimate the scale of the project, and the enormous number of factors that need to be taken into account and possibly overcome. With the exception of the Liverpool 1 development, I can't think of another project in living memory (and sadly I'm no longer teenager), that Liverpool planners have had to consider that has been anywhere near this scale.

Just the planning process itself will take many many months, and one thing we don't know is how far down the line we are already. I can't see the club making any formal announcements until the planning issue has been resolved, which is fair enough in my view despite all the fans impatience.

Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a degree of devilment from the Dark Side trying to disrupt our plans. However there is a growing feeling that this development could kick start investment in North Liverpool as a whole, which is why I'm confident the council are fully behind it. In the whole scheme of things, this devilment will amount to nothing more serious than a gnat bite;)
 

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