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New Everton Stadium

I also regularly stood in the Gladys and remember well the surges and the barriers.
If it is possible to introduce SAFE standing areas then great. I realise that many people want to stand. Terraces as we remember them however have hopefully gone forever.
Also, I find it incredible that many of the people who moan about the number of 'restricted view' seats are the same ones shouting out for a standing area. I can only assume that they are all 6'6" or taller. I have sat in loads of 'restricted view' seats, but in ALL of them the view of the match was far superior to standing in a swaying, surging crowd.
I understand that the atmosphere is not the same when seated (and I do miss that) but I can't see how that atmosphere could be recreated within a SAFE standing area.
SAFE standing areas will not bring that atmosphere back.
It was being packed in like sardines that created the atmosphere. If we have to lose that in the interest of safety, then so be it.
 
Dario Terracotta said:
I've stood in the past, home and away, had some great experiences, and some not so great(getting led onto the pitchside out of the Kop at the Ratters Derby 1986,after bad overcrowding on the terraces)I just think it's in the past now, if "safe standing"happens it's one small step back to those days, let's remember since the inception of all seater stadia, how many people have lost their lives?also I think it's disrespecting those souls who did die at football in standing terraces if this was to happen, just my opinion.
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I see your point but I think the whole idea of safe standing areas is that it will not be allowed to be overcrowded. A sectioned area can easily be controlled and not allow crushes as such. They will not be crammed like sardines like the old days.
 
Dario Terracotta said:
Maybe,I just know a number of disasters at football grounds in Britain all occurred when standing areas were in place,nothing thankfully has ever happened since all seater stadia started.
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It is very difficult to come down on either side if I am honest. As in I dont really care that much. The safe standing seems to me to be basically the same as seating, in terms of tickets, so no free for all/surges, as in the past. So if folk can be safely stood, (that sounds odd), then why not?
 
roydo said:
It is very difficult to come down on either side if I am honest. As in I dont really care that much. The safe standing seems to me to be basically the same as seating, in terms of tickets, so no free for all/surges, as in the past. So if folk can be safely stood, (that sounds odd), then why not?
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Fully agree with this. I was just pointing out that it will not bring back the atmosphere of the terraces, though that is the reason that many give as an argument for standing areas.
 
roydo said:
It is very difficult to come down on either side if I am honest. As in I dont really care that much. The safe standing seems to me to be basically the same as seating, in terms of tickets, so no free for all/surges, as in the past. So if folk can be safely stood, (that sounds odd), then why not?
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Would like to see it return but wouldn't be too bothered if it's blocked. Would be interesting to see the age group of people who want to see it return AND use it.....?
 

kev said:
Fully agree with this. I was just pointing out that it will not bring back the atmosphere of the terraces, though that is the reason that many give as an argument for standing areas.
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You cannot "generate" an atmosphere if the crowd are standing, sitting, or playing Twister.

As ever, it all points back to the demographics of the UK. In the 50s, were football crowds singing and chanting? Doubt it. Then the 70s and 80s pitched up, and the football crowds started the "atmosphere" us oldies remember. Now, we are all grown up and wrinkled, and the new generation of supporters are behaving at the game in a way they feel right.

Why I have not a clue, but the demographics of the footballing crowd have changed in the same way that society has.
 
Dario Terracotta said:
Maybe,I just know a number of disasters at football grounds in Britain all occurred when standing areas were in place,nothing thankfully has ever happened since all seater stadia started.
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Bradford: cigarette dropped under wooden stand causes inferno.

Hillsborough: crush due to excess of people unable to escape confined space.

Both took place on terraces. In neither case was the terracing a factor.

You're conflating facts to fit your argument.
 
....I know there's a separate thread on safe standing but I have never understood a preference to watch footy standing up in a crowd, especially in the days of fencing in and arches to protect players from missiles. Growing up in the 60s and 70s I always wanted a seat in upper Gwladys rather than stand on the terrace. It's just my view although it's clearly not shared by others and I respect their opinion.

I share @Dario Terracotta opinion that it would be a retrospective step and changes made following Taylor have been for the good.
 
Dario Terracotta said:
Maybe,I just know a number of disasters at football grounds in Britain all occurred when standing areas were in place,nothing thankfully has ever happened since all seater stadia started.
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Anyone who to wigan a couple of years back will argue this fact, it wasn't far off becoming a very serious incident in the foyer at half time due to excessive amounts of people and piss poor organisation/policing. It was a bitter cold afternoon and people surged down
 

nsno-chris said:
Anyone who to wigan a couple of years back will argue this fact, it wasn't far off becoming a very serious incident in the foyer at half time due to excessive amounts of people and piss poor organisation/policing. It was a bitter cold afternoon and people surged down
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We are veering off topic, sort of, but in the context of a New Stadium this discussion is not without merit.

I recall watching Bristol City, away, at Forest in the late 80s, maybe 90s, in a League Cup semi 1st leg. Bristol took a huge away crowd, and after the match, (1 1), the crush on the concourse in the away end was terrifying. I was with my girlfriend, and managed, somehow, to get her behind an iron stanchion so we could wait for the surge to calm down.

And I guess every single poster on here of a certain age would have experienced similar.

But no one is advocating anything remotely like that chaos of those days. If supporters want it, (Its our game isnt it?), and the technology can deliver it, then I reckon that at least any design of our new place should have the option, er, designed int the plans.
 
The Cowboy said:
Bradford: cigarette dropped under wooden stand causes inferno.

Hillsborough: crush due to excess of people unable to escape confined space.

Both took place on terraces. In neither case was the terracing a factor.

You're conflating facts to fit your argument.
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Bradford was the main seated stand, surely?

I agree though with wanting to see a return to standing in certain properly configured parts of the ground. Having to sit is usually expensive and uncomfortable, and with people up and down, in and out, shuffling in a tight space, standing on seats, clambering over seats at the end of the game etc. it is a right pain.
 
ToffeeDoug said:
Bradford was the main seated stand, surely?

I agree though with wanting to see a return to standing in certain properly configured parts of the ground. Having to sit is usually expensive and uncomfortable, and with people up and down, in and out, shuffling in a tight space, standing on seats, clambering over seats at the end of the game etc. it is a right pain.
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Frankly D, I was wracking my brain to think of these numerous examples of terrace-related incidents that have been eradicated in the all-seater age.
 
The Cowboy said:
Bradford: cigarette dropped under wooden stand causes inferno.

Hillsborough: crush due to excess of people unable to escape confined space.

Both took place on terraces. In neither case was the terracing a factor.

You're conflating facts to fit your argument.
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I thought Bradford was actually a seated area?Burnden park,Ibrox both occurred in standing areas?
 

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