New Everton Stadium

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

However if our 60,000 seater bear pit for footy can have its surface raised like Celtic Park did for a running track to go over the pitch side seats and we reduce our capacity to 50,000 we/LCC would get in the region of £100 Million for providing the Commonwealth games stadium. Knock that off the price!

No way! The RS wouldn't knock 10,000 off their capacity to go down to 45,000!

 

[Brennan]

The dust had now settled
An here was the proof
Our troublesome neighbours
Had built themselves a new roof

It was tall it was high
An they were all chuffed to bits
But it looked out of place
As though nothing quite fits

Carragher mocked how small Goodison seemed
But what was in store
We could only have dreamed
They mocked an they ridiculed day after day
Have you saw our new stand you'd hear them all say

But things had now changed back across Stanley park
An the northern blue army
We're coming out of the dark
Farhad an Bill were hatching a plan
To [Poor language removed] off from walton
As soon as they can

This place is [Poor language removed]
Said Farhad with a frown
The red [Poor language removed] have run everyone out of this town
There's no houses left no shops on this land
All just to build themselves
A gigantic roof on a stand

This place was once so lovely
An pretty,
but now it's the arsehole of our lovely city

Bill said to Farhad so wat shall we do?
We can't stay here cos this town is thru !
Well relocate said Farhad with a look in his eye
To the heart of the city
Where the Mersey flows by

We will build us an empire
To wipe the smile off their
Face
An put all those silly reds
Back in their place

Something that puts us
Back on the worlds map
Not tiptoeing through walton
In all the dog crap

We will make our team stronger
an fitter
An rise like a Phoenix
Then we ll see who is bitter

We will make them magnificent
They'll all come to see em
An build an arena
Like a big coliseum

With pride an with passion
In our royal blue jersey
In our blue coliseum
On the banks of the Mersey

So that's what we'll do with the help of the mayor
An we will breeze out of walton without even a care
Why aim for the moon
When you can reach for the stars
So [Poor language removed] off to Anfield ........
Cos THE CITYS ALL OURS

That's badly RAWK.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

If the capacity were 50,000, we would have a waiting list for season tickets for years. It makes no sense unless the footprint/design dictates a smaller stadium.

Spot on.

And it would only be the tenth biggest stadium in the Premier League by the time it was finished.

Mr Moshiri has way too much ambition than to go for 50,000.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The dust had now settled
An here was the proof
Our troublesome neighbours
Had built themselves a new roof

It was tall it was high
An they were all chuffed to bits
But it looked out of place
As though nothing quite fits

Carragher mocked how small Goodison seemed
But what was in store
We could only have dreamed
They mocked an they ridiculed day after day
Have you saw our new stand you'd hear them all say

But things had now changed back across Stanley park
An the northern blue army
We're coming out of the dark
Farhad an Bill were hatching a plan
To [Poor language removed] off from walton
As soon as they can

This place is [Poor language removed]
Said Farhad with a frown
The red [Poor language removed] have run everyone out of this town
There's no houses left no shops on this land
All just to build themselves
A gigantic roof on a stand

This place was once so lovely
An pretty,
but now it's the arsehole of our lovely city

Bill said to Farhad so wat shall we do?
We can't stay here cos this town is thru !
Well relocate said Farhad with a look in his eye
To the heart of the city
Where the Mersey flows by

We will build us an empire
To wipe the smile off their
Face
An put all those silly reds
Back in their place

Something that puts us
Back on the worlds map
Not tiptoeing through walton
In all the dog crap

We will make our team stronger
an fitter
An rise like a Phoenix
Then we ll see who is bitter

We will make them magnificent
They'll all come to see em
An build an arena
Like a big coliseum

With pride an with passion
In our royal blue jersey
In our blue coliseum
On the banks of the Mersey

So that's what we'll do with the help of the mayor
An we will breeze out of walton without even a care
Why aim for the moon
When you can reach for the stars
So [Poor language removed] off to Anfield ........
Cos THE CITYS ALL OURS

Oh god

 

[maccavennie]

The dust had now settled
An here was the proof
Our troublesome neighbours
Had built themselves a new roof

It was tall it was high
An they were all chuffed to bits
But it looked out of place
As though nothing quite fits

Carragher mocked how small Goodison seemed
But what was in store
We could only have dreamed
They mocked an they ridiculed day after day
Have you saw our new stand you'd hear them all say

But things had now changed back across Stanley park
An the northern blue army
We're coming out of the dark
Farhad an Bill were hatching a plan
To [Poor language removed] off from walton
As soon as they can

This place is [Poor language removed]
Said Farhad with a frown
The red [Poor language removed] have run everyone out of this town
There's no houses left no shops on this land
All just to build themselves
A gigantic roof on a stand

This place was once so lovely
An pretty,
but now it's the arsehole of our lovely city

Bill said to Farhad so wat shall we do?
We can't stay here cos this town is thru !
Well relocate said Farhad with a look in his eye
To the heart of the city
Where the Mersey flows by

We will build us an empire
To wipe the smile off their
Face
An put all those silly reds
Back in their place

Something that puts us
Back on the worlds map
Not tiptoeing through walton
In all the dog crap

We will make our team stronger
an fitter
An rise like a Phoenix
Then we ll see who is bitter

We will make them magnificent
They'll all come to see em
An build an arena
Like a big coliseum

With pride an with passion
In our royal blue jersey
In our blue coliseum
On the banks of the Mersey

So that's what we'll do with the help of the mayor
An we will breeze out of walton without even a care
Why aim for the moon
When you can reach for the stars
So [Poor language removed] off to Anfield ........
Cos THE CITYS ALL OURS

I've just read that with the voice of Anthony Hopkins as narrator from the Grinch.

Well played Sir

 

[Upper gaz]

Other than football, what else could you really use a stadium for to raise funds?
Talks of Commonwealth games, concerts, major sporting contests, future England Internationals, for example.
A pitch that rotates (ie don't fill in dock) or one that slides out to leave a hard standing surface/athletics track / field area:
would cover the 4.5 million annual payments to the council each year in the future and I wouldn't have thought this would make too big an impact on the initial costs. thoughts???

 

[blueblue]

There is huge potential for earning money from non football activities like music concerts.
Croke Park in Dublin has been very successful as a venue and would have held even more but for local residents objections as it is built in a very residential area.

 

[The Cowboy]

Other than football, what else could you really use a stadium for to raise funds?
Talks of Commonwealth games, concerts, major sporting contests, future England Internationals, for example.
A pitch that rotates (ie don't fill in dock) or one that slides out to leave a hard standing surface/athletics track / field area:
would cover the 4.5 million annual payments to the council each year in the future and I wouldn't have thought this would make too big an impact on the initial costs. thoughts???

Wouldn't need to do that, pitches can be on pallets that can be moved/turned, so no space beneath would be required.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Moshiris mates don't make the type of steel you would typically use when constructing a stadium, so no advantage from that source.
But being at a quayside means the steel work and precast concrete can be fabricated anywhere in the world and delivered to site by ship so you are not reliant on the few fabricators capable of stadium work in the UK. You can ship 5,000tonnes of steel all the way from China for £50,000, but to move it from Bolton or Bury to Liverpool by road would cost 5 times as much. The millenium stadium in Cardiff was fabricated in Italy and shipped back to the UK - directly to site. Most of the stadium for Euro 2004 (including Benfica & Porto) cost less than £100million. So you can produce something spectacular for £300 million.

Great point mate

 

[4737carlin]

Moshiris mates don't make the type of steel you would typically use when constructing a stadium, so no advantage from that source.
But being at a quayside means the steel work and precast concrete can be fabricated anywhere in the world and delivered to site by ship so you are not reliant on the few fabricators capable of stadium work in the UK. You can ship 5,000tonnes of steel all the way from China for £50,000, but to move it from Bolton or Bury to Liverpool by road would cost 5 times as much. The millenium stadium in Cardiff was fabricated in Italy and shipped back to the UK - directly to site. Most of the stadium for Euro 2004 (including Benfica & Porto) cost less than £100million. So you can produce something spectacular for £300 million.

Great point that, never thought of that, they new port Peel have built is going to really help us, everything fits in to place!

 

[Stephen Gibson]

If i was developing something on the Liverpool Waters site to a similar timescale to the stadium build like a skyscraper etc then surely it would even cheaper to buddy up with other developers & get the price down even further for the steel.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The dust had now settled
An here was the proof
Our troublesome neighbours
Had built themselves a new roof

It was tall it was high
An they were all chuffed to bits
But it looked out of place
As though nothing quite fits

Carragher mocked how small Goodison seemed
But what was in store
We could only have dreamed
They mocked an they ridiculed day after day
Have you saw our new stand you'd hear them all say

But things had now changed back across Stanley park
An the northern blue army
We're coming out of the dark
Farhad an Bill were hatching a plan
To [Poor language removed] off from walton
As soon as they can

This place is [Poor language removed]
Said Farhad with a frown
The red [Poor language removed] have run everyone out of this town
There's no houses left no shops on this land
All just to build themselves
A gigantic roof on a stand

This place was once so lovely
An pretty,
but now it's the arsehole of our lovely city

Bill said to Farhad so wat shall we do?
We can't stay here cos this town is thru !
Well relocate said Farhad with a look in his eye
To the heart of the city
Where the Mersey flows by

We will build us an empire
To wipe the smile off their
Face
An put all those silly reds
Back in their place

Something that puts us
Back on the worlds map
Not tiptoeing through walton
In all the dog crap

We will make our team stronger
an fitter
An rise like a Phoenix
Then we ll see who is bitter

We will make them magnificent
They'll all come to see em
An build an arena
Like a big coliseum

With pride an with passion
In our royal blue jersey
In our blue coliseum
On the banks of the Mersey

So that's what we'll do with the help of the mayor
An we will breeze out of walton without even a care
Why aim for the moon
When you can reach for the stars
So [Poor language removed] off to Anfield ........
Cos THE CITYS ALL OURS

Brilliant very Dr Seuss

 

[steelpipe]

Great point that, never thought of that, they new port Peel have built is going to really help us, everything fits in to place!

Sorry, that's a container terminal, so the longest bits you could delivery through there would only be 11.95metres long.
But, if you ship material as "bulk" cargo via coasters the only restriction is the size of the hold of the ship {unless you ship as deck cargo}
You could ship the steelwork, including roof trusses (120 - 150metres long) as one piece, half way around the world if you wanted to.
The problem comes if they ever need to go onto the road system once they come off the boat, hence most are assembled on site.
which is more expensive. Precast concrete is better suited to ship as bulk also because open top containers (you would need those for complicated concrete shapes) are about 50% more expensive than standard containers.

 

[steelpipe]

If i was developing something on the Liverpool Waters site to a similar timescale to the stadium build like a skyscraper etc then surely it would even cheaper to buddy up with other developers & get the price down even further for the steel.

Different types of steel.
Buildings (offices, sheds etc where the steelwork is internal and not exposed to the elements) tend to use H and I shapes.
Stadia use more tubes (it's because the steelwork is usually exposed and there's nowhere for water to gather on the outside of a tube)

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Different types of steel.
Buildings (offices, sheds etc where the steelwork is internal and not exposed to the elements) tend to use H and I shapes.
Stadia use more tubes (it's because the steelwork is usually exposed and there's nowhere for water to gather on the outside of a tube)

Great insightfull posts. thanks