New Everton Stadium

[Mikelangelo]

On the subject of stadiums, capacities, running tracks.... 18500 capacity stadium, with a running track.... In a CL semi final... The mind boggles!

 

[Mikelangelo]

The premier league will be played one match after another from Friday until Sunday evening, with no two matches kicking off at the same time soon enough. Asian money will outbid sky and BT for the next tv deal.

If that happens, the kickoff times will begin early morning to fit better with the Chinese time zone.

 

[billytoffee]

Have we given up talking about the stadium now and shifted our focus to football finances and possible fluctuations over the next half century?


I'm enthralled.

Need to get it back on track Tom ! What do you think the capacity should be?

 

[Blanshard96]

Interesting discussion above on the global consumption of PL football. I know it's somewhat different than football but I have an NBA League Pass also and that comes in three separate tiers:

One specifically for your team (mines the Thunder) where I get to watch all of their games live and on demand and the NBA TV channel which is similar to Sky Sports News

One where you can pick about five different teams you like and you get to watch all of their games live and on demand and the NBA TV channel

Lastly, a tier where you get to watch every game in the league live and on demand also.

I'm not sure this model would work however if say Sky or BT packed it in because there's so many different competitive leagues in the world, but also would it create an even bigger divide between the most popular teams like Man U and Stoke who I can't believe people pay money now to watch?

But interesting what would happen if it eventually went down this route as I think people would be more inclined to pay for content they know they would watch which is why streaming as a service has become so popular.

Anyway, excited to see how the stadium will come along

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Need to get it back on track Tom ! What do you think the capacity should be?

61,878.

We need to be looking to compete with the likes of Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal.

 

[Neiler]

But in the near future the Moshiri led Everton will be cutting better commercial deals. And I wouldn't deny for one moment the necessity for a new and improved facility. I question the structure of the deal and maybe even the location given the likely final cost involved.

As per my previous post mate, our current match day income from Goodison over a 40 year period outstrips the reported liability of the ground by about 250 mill.

That's Goodison currently, you would have to say that a new ground and associated benefits are likely to well outstrip that to be significantly better holistically in terms of increase in capacity, corporate facilities, non football related events and naming rights. In its current form the model is beyond cost neutral on match day revenue alone, well within our organic means before TV, commercial or merchandising etc. We're down 14 mill a year in a liability allegedly, but that's well within our means on match day income alone. Before the bells and whistles of the facility led revenue and sponsorship.

I'm suspicious to a degree because the deal looks to good to be true, but wouldn't share your specific concerns. I think the devil will be in the detail of the figures. I actually think the annual liability will be greater then the 14mill figure I'd say somewhere between 19-25mill myself. The key point for me is the exit clause of the financer, I don't fully believe that they will hand over the stadium without some kind of ballon payment.

Those are the points I'll be keeping an eye on, the annual liability I think is neither here nor there and will be well within our means without a significant impact, the eventual ownership issue and ballon payment is the smoking gun and defineing factor for me on this model.

 

[davek]

As per my previous post mate, our current match day income from Goodison over a 40 year period outstrips the reported liability of the ground by about 250 mill.

That's Goodison currently, you would have to say that a new ground and associated benefits are likely to well outstrip that to be significantly better holistically in terms of increase in capacity, corporate facilities, non football related events and naming rights. In its current form the model is beyond cost neutral on match day revenue alone, well within our organic means before TV, commercial or merchandising etc. We're down 14 mill a year in a liability allegedly, but that's well within our means on match day income alone. Before the bells and whistles of the facility led revenue and sponsorship.

I'm suspicious to a degree because the deal looks to good to be true, but wouldn't share your specific concerns. I think the devil will be in the detail of the figures. I actually think the annual liability will be greater then the 14mill figure I'd say somewhere between 19-25mill myself. The key point for me is the exit clause of the financer, I don't fully believe that they will hand over the stadium without some kind of ballon payment.

Those are the points I'll be keeping an eye on, the annual liability I think is neither here nor there and will be well within our means without a significant impact, the eventual ownership issue and ballon payment is the smoking gun and defineing factor for me on this model.

I dont doubt all those points about how a new stadium can pay its way. Never have doubted that the figures stack up and that it can provide more finance. That's not my issue. My issue is that our future is unknown and half a billion (conservative figure, imo if this is to be an iconic stadium) is a hell of a lot of money to have hanging over you when you could hit a nightmare season and get relegated, or for one reason or another the industry loses its allure and crowds dwindle and revenue takes a dive. It also hangs on how partners in the project are doing and their (changing) priorities (and they will change over that period). It's a long long time for everything to stay where you want it to stay and be non-problematic.

It basically comes down to how much of a gamble you see this as being. I dont subscribe to the 'you have to take a chance' philosophy. I personally think many have been mesmerised by talk of a dockland work of art that will rub the Kopites noses in it for all time and that rationality is taking a back seat to that. At the back of all that is a basic distrust of the people who have rocked up here at Everton and for me have proven nothing...worse, proven they aren't as good as their word so far on on-field matters.

 

[DerbyshireAndHarper]

He did three laps of the track first before passing the baton to @DerbyshireAndHarper

Hilarious that mate. Sides are splitting here.

As long as people remember what I wrote for when it gets announced, hopefully there won't be too long a list of people owing me an apology on here.

 

[IllinoisBlue]

Maybe we need a thread for people worried about the new stadium?

 

[everton2004]

Maybe we need a thread for people worried about the new stadium?

 

[Exeter Gently]

I dont doubt all those points about how a new stadium can pay its way. Never have doubted that the figures stack up and that it can provide more finance. That's not my issue. My issue is that our future is unknown and half a billion (conservative figure, imo if this is to be an iconic stadium) is a hell of a lot of money to have hanging over you when you could hit a nightmare season and get relegated, or for one reason or another the industry loses its allure and crowds dwindle and revenue takes a dive. It also hangs on how partners in the project are doing and their (changing) priorities (and they will change over that period). It's a long long time for everything to stay where you want it to stay and be non-problematic.

It basically comes down to how much of a gamble you see this as being. I dont subscribe to the 'you have to take a chance' philosophy. I personally think many have been mesmerised by talk of a dockland work of art that will rub the Kopites noses in it for all time and that rationality is taking a back seat to that. At the back of all that is a basic distrust of the people who have rocked up here at Everton and for me have proven nothing...worse, proven they aren't as good as their word so far on on-field matters.

Dave can i just say from someone who is not your biggest fan that your posts on this thread today have been great to read.

Most of what you have said as far as how its all being funded and also looking at the bigger picture in terms of if we should ever get relegated is something we all need to seriously consider,and when you are not posting without some sort of agenda you are actually very interesting.


more of this please....

 

[Brisan123]

Exactly this.. it's the location that will lead to the increased commercial deals etc. Without the location it wouldn't be as good.. take stone cross.. the income generated from commercial deal would be pathetic in comparison to a stadium on the waterfront.

If you can't see that then you are blind to the facts and nothing will persuade you.

Docklands all over Europe are been regenerated.
This waterside living / working / socialising is big business
I've said it numerous times.
Look at Dublin
Docks were a hotbed of degenerates 30 yrs ago
Now 2 theatres , convention centre , shops , restaurants , pubs , outdoor spaces
EMEAA headquarters of Google , Facebook ,instagram Twitter and loads more.
1000s of apts
It even has s boardwalk on the river
Light rail system and a major Financial centre
There is still scope for more development.
The Liverpool Docks can do this and more
It's s once in a lifetime golden opportunity and we have to grab it.
Corestate don't do small stuff , well except the Liver Building and that's just offices for the whole project.

 

[tommye]

Dave can i just say from someone who is not your biggest fan that your posts on this thread today have been great to read.

Most of what you have said as far as how its all being funded and also looking at the bigger picture in terms of if we should ever get relegated is something we all need to seriously consider,and when you are not posting without some sort of agenda you are actually very interesting.


more of this please....

Pound for pound the best poster on here. He just loves the game too much sometimes.

 

[Neiler]

I dont doubt all those points about how a new stadium can pay its way. Never have doubted that the figures stack up and that it can provide more finance. That's not my issue. My issue is that our future is unknown and half a billion (conservative figure, imo if this is to be an iconic stadium) is a hell of a lot of money to have hanging over you when you could hit a nightmare season and get relegated, or for one reason or another the industry loses its allure and crowds dwindle and revenue takes a dive. It also hangs on how partners in the project are doing and their (changing) priorities (and they will change over that period). It's a long long time for everything to stay where you want it to stay and be non-problematic.

It basically comes down to how much of a gamble you see this as being. I dont subscribe to the 'you have to take a chance' philosophy. I personally think many have been mesmerised by talk of a dockland work of art that will rub the Kopites noses in it for all time and that rationality is taking a back seat to that. At the back of all that is a basic distrust of the people who have rocked up here at Everton and for me have proven nothing...worse, proven they aren't as good as their word so far on on-field matters.

I would disagree with the above mate. It's not any different to Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea borrowing money for their ground. United being in hoc to their owners for 100s of millions. Or City in an even more pricarious situation of not owning or having the opportunity to own their ground. I suppose what those clubs have in common is that they are ahead of us in the table and are eating at the top table of European football what that means in terms of a risk Vs benefit test, is there to be evaluated. Each of those clubs, if your concerns were realised however rational or irrational they are would be in a similar or more difficult position. We hold little or to no debt as opposed to other clubs. The burden of liability in negligible now and likely to be in the future, social inflation itself is likely to make any liability derisory, the enabling ability means the repayment will be met with the most minor of revenue streams for us even in the championship.

On the administration thus far I disagree that they have done nothing, fundamentally critically they have breathed new life into the club by tackling inhibitors in terms or debt and presented a model and strategy for progress within 12 months, that is hugely impressive both the debt and stadium issue have been milestones around our necks for decades. I believe in processes rather then events when it comes to change, but that rate of development by the administration is staggering when you are talking of 100 of millions in debt repayment and enablings to be earned. That's from a macro point of view, from a micro point of view I'm really happy with other developments as well. So I'm largely disagreeing with you mate, I think your missing Bill mate!lol

 

[Jeff Jones]

I remember John Barnes reportedly being on £10k per week

We built the main stand for 750k.