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New Everton Stadium

Jacko93 said:
If all they wanted to do was to build on the North docks, they could've just bought land to build on the North docks. Peel have been trying to kick start this project for 7 years. By putting a stadium there they have actually complicated the whole issue. Plus, there is a whole load of competition for anything they build from China and the likes.
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That stadium will be attracting the world media mate. Being associated with an iconic stadium on that waterfront would be a godsend for them, handing them a globally recognised brand for their interests in the north end docks.

They need that.
 
davek said:
That stadium will be attracting the world media mate. Being associated with an iconic stadium on that waterfront would be a godsend for them, handing them a globally recognised brand for their interests in the north end docks.

They need that.
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Even if you're correct, we are both beneficiaries, which is good especially if they can develop a 'football brand' to enhance their project.
 
davek said:
That stadium will be attracting the world media mate. Being associated with an iconic stadium on that waterfront would be a godsend for them, handing them a globally recognised brand for their interests in the north end docks.

They need that.
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"Need" is a bit strong, but, overall, I agree with the spirit of that post.
Peel have struggled to start this project for ages, and a stadium at Bramley Moore kick starts the process very nicely

Mind you, your statement about ...

davek said:
a globally recognised brand
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doesn't exactly sit in tune with your very recent statement about

davek said:
... for a club with our relatively limited appeal
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So I think it's safe to assume that you're, at the very least, playing devil's advocate here ( surely not :lol: :lol: ), and could be secretly excited about the whole thing !

No need to reply mate, it'd just be bluster for the sake of it.

:coffee:
 
davek said:
That stadium will be attracting the world media mate. Being associated with an iconic stadium on that waterfront would be a godsend for them, handing them a globally recognised brand for their interests in the north end docks.

They need that.
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Who needs that? Your saying that they're using the stadium as a "Trojan horse", an in, to add further developments on Liverpool waters. Liverpool Waters is an addition to what is already a world renown waterfront, there will be, and is plenty of interest anyway. Any addition of a stadium may well increase the interest in the area, but if it is hugely successful in increasing the appeal, it will only drive up any price that our owners (or others) will have to pay for the land. The only people that a huge increase in the surrounding lands value will benefit is Peel.

In my opinion, there is only one group of people that need the stadium on the waterfront and that is the club and all of us as Evertonians.
 

Jacko93 said:
Who needs that? Your saying that they're using the stadium as a "Trojan horse", an in, to add further developments on Liverpool waters. Liverpool Waters is an addition to what is already a world renown waterfront, there will be, and is plenty of interest anyway. Any addition of a stadium may well increase the interest in the area, but if it is hugely successful in increasing the appeal, it will only drive up any price that our owners (or others) will have to pay for the land. The only people that a huge increase in the surrounding lands value will benefit is Peel.

In my opinion, there is only one group of people that need the stadium on the waterfront and that is the club and all of us as Evertonians.
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But we've already bought the land where the stadium etc is to be built. Sorry, don't understand your post. Peel have failed for a decade to get anything started here. We will kick start things for them and have a great stadium in a fantastic location.
 
Dr Baxter said:
But we've already bought the land where the stadium etc is to be built. Sorry, don't understand your post. Peel have failed for a decade to get anything started here. We will kick start things for them and have a great stadium in a fantastic location.
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My point is that Everton are building the Stadium for Everton. It's not so that our owners can use our location to build more stuff on the North docks.

Peel would've got the stuff in the original masterplan built, it would've just took longer as the waterfront was only coming from the centre northwards. It's now coming both ways. They have interest in development there, and that was before Everton even looked to buy the land. The Lexington for example will break ground early next year, that's been 3 years in the making. The hive will follow soon after, then further developments will come off that. There will be a minimum of 3 high rises in very quick succession, but all towards the prince's dock area. All our stadium will do is accellerate development from the other end as well.
 
Jacko93 said:
My point is that Everton are building the Stadium for Everton. It's not so that our owners can use our location to build more stuff on the North docks.

Peel would've got the stuff in the original masterplan built, it would've just took longer as the waterfront was only coming from the centre northwards. It's now coming both ways. They have interest in development there, and that was before Everton even looked to buy the land. The Lexington for example will break ground early next year, that's been 3 years in the making. The hive will follow soon after, then further developments will come off that. There will be a minimum of 3 high rises in very quick succession, but all towards the prince's dock area. All our stadium will do is accellerate development from the other end as well.
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True. It might take 10/20 years but we will have the equivalent of a new city centre there one day. The curse of a derelict dock area will be the reason for Liverpool's renaissance.
 
Jacko93 said:
My point is that Everton are building the Stadium for Everton. It's not so that our owners can use our location to build more stuff on the North docks.

Peel would've got the stuff in the original masterplan built, it would've just took longer as the waterfront was only coming from the centre northwards. It's now coming both ways. They have interest in development there, and that was before Everton even looked to buy the land. The Lexington for example will break ground early next year, that's been 3 years in the making. The hive will follow soon after, then further developments will come off that. There will be a minimum of 3 high rises in very quick succession, but all towards the prince's dock area. All our stadium will do is accellerate development from the other end as well.
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Reckon we’ll have anything positive on it soon?
 

Jacko93 said:
My point is that Everton are building the Stadium for Everton. It's not so that our owners can use our location to build more stuff on the North docks.

Peel would've got the stuff in the original masterplan built, it would've just took longer as the waterfront was only coming from the centre northwards. It's now coming both ways. They have interest in development there, and that was before Everton even looked to buy the land. The Lexington for example will break ground early next year, that's been 3 years in the making. The hive will follow soon after, then further developments will come off that. There will be a minimum of 3 high rises in very quick succession, but all towards the prince's dock area. All our stadium will do is accellerate development from the other end as well.
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Seems to be moving on now on Princes Dock , fencing and cabins now on site for the Plaza building , Lexington in the new year and the start of the Infinity towers.
Planning permission has gone in for the first buildings on the Central Docks , reckon the ground can't be far of.
 
davek said:
It's just too long a period to feel comfortable with.

The payback per annum was based on a £300M stadium. It wont be £300M. Never in a million years will this run to that budget. I'd say you could almost double the figure in the end.

And what then? Still doable you might say. Then I'd say that our ability to make it just doable would be premised on the nature of the industry and its fortunes. What if collective bargaining - as is likely - breaks down over broadcasting and the elite clubs fashion their own package or sell their broadcasting rights individually? We would be swimming in debt for a generation with no real means other than charging more at a stadium to service that debt and pay it down.

It's way too precarious. Moshiri is gung ho on it because he wouldn't be here if it went arse up.
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It'll be kecks down in Lewis's window for degsy if it comes in under half a bill...or even as you say 600M
 

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