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New Everton Stadium

peteblue said:
Of course size matters, it’s why the FA Cup and Internationals are played at Wembley. It’s why Goodison used to attract the semi finals and World Cup matches. If we are in the business of making money then we need a stadium that will always be seen as the best, whether for football or any other entertainment endeavour. This is our chance to get back to where we were and we must not waste the opportunity.......
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This is one of the most disappointing things and shows how far we have fallen when our own fanbase fail to recognise/acknowledge that in our day we had the Old Trafford of yesteryear. We could think small and stay on the peripheries and watch while everyone else does something we wish we could or we can jump in and try and make others sit up and take notice. I know what I would vote for...
 
The binman chronicles said:
This is one of the most disappointing things and shows how far we have fallen when our own fanbase fail to recognise/acknowledge that in our day we had the Old Trafford of yesteryear. We could think small and stay on the peripheries and watch while everyone else does something we wish we could or we can jump in and try and make others sit up and take notice. I know what I would vote for...
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You’re taking about 50 years ago mate. It’s only a few years ago that half our fanbase voted yes to a cow shed in Kirby.

Making a statement with the new stadium, doesn’t mean it has to be huge. The design of the stadium can make it iconic and it’s what goes on inside the stadium that will make others take notice.
 
Dogs_of_War said:
You’re taking about 50 years ago mate. It’s only a few years ago that half our fanbase voted yes to a cow shed in Kirby.

Making a statement with the new stadium, doesn’t mean it has to be huge. The design of the stadium can make it iconic and it’s what goes on inside the stadium that will make others take notice.
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Not that long ago mate, until around the early 1990's our stadium held up very well against the best in the country. Old trafford only went to 44k in 1994. We aren't talking about building an 80k stadium just to say mine is bigger than yours, it is just to keep pace with Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea etc. all of whom have traditionally had smaller stadiums. We can fill a 60k stadium more often than not.
 
Dogs_of_War said:
You’re taking about 50 years ago mate. It’s only a few years ago that half our fanbase voted yes to a cow shed in Kirby.

Making a statement with the new stadium, doesn’t mean it has to be huge. The design of the stadium can make it iconic and it’s what goes on inside the stadium that will make others take notice.
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Perfect example of how times change..as do expectations.
Let's look at Spurs 5 years ago, similar attendance to us, similar league position to us etc

Move forward to next season - they'll have 60k+ and poss be looking forward to Champs League et al

Please don't tell me that our fanbase/ambition can't compete with Spurs

I've been at a match at Goodison with an attendance of over 60k against Tranmere! (late 60's) - times change...but if we aren't ambitious then we'll be left behind
 
The binman chronicles said:
Not that long ago mate, until around the early 1990's our stadium held up very well against the best in the country. Old trafford only went to 44k in 1994. We aren't talking about building an 80k stadium just to say mine is bigger than yours, it is just to keep pace with Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea etc. all of whom have traditionally had smaller stadiums. We can fill a 60k stadium more often than not.
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Fair enough mate, we deffo missed a trick when redeveloping the Park End etc.

I’m not arguing that we couldn’t fill 60,000. But I’d be wary of going above that. Nowadays clubs don’t rely on attendances as much as they did, footballs becoming unaffordable for plenty of working class people, Sky are showing more and more games at unreasonable times for fans and the majority of fixtures are no longer played on a Saturday afternoon. With advances in technology, kids don’t even have to leave the house to ‘feel’ like they’re in the ground - they can sit there with a VR headset on and have a better seat than anyone.
 

RobC said:
CBA with the long winded form better known as a PR exercise and we know it. What I meant is the more corporates we have then that reduces the footprint for "other" fans. This is why I am fed up with the obsession about size, you disagree, crack on.
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Size isn't everything :coffee:
 
royalbalou said:
Perfect example of how times change..as do expectations.
Let's look at Spurs 5 years ago, similar attendance to us, similar league position to us etc

Move forward to next season - they'll have 60k+ and poss be looking forward to Champs League et al

Please don't tell me that our fanbase/ambition can't compete with Spurs

I've been at a match at Goodison with an attendance of over 60k against Tranmere! (late 60's) - times change...but if we aren't ambitious then we'll be left behind
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Spurs have got a far bigger fanbase than us at the minute, you’d only have to look at social media followers, shirts on sale in foreign countries or games shown live on Sky to see that. They might have got similar attendances to us but they had a waiting list for about 20 years for season ticket holders.

55,000 - 60,000 isn’t exactly leaving us short in terms of competing with these clubs.
 
Dogs_of_War said:
Spurs have got a far bigger fanbase thean us at the minute, you’d only have to look at social media followers, shirts on sale in foreign countries or games shown live on Sky to see that. They might have got similar attendances to us but they had a waiting list for about 20 years for season ticket holders.

55,000 - 60,000 isn’t exactly leaving us short in terms of competing with these clubs.
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I disagree...it sends out a message 'We aren't as big as you...and are happy with that'

Hardly NSNO
 
Sir Alan said:
Dear lord I can’t believe am reading this.

That 3 thousand is a killer isn’t it?

Seriously. We sell out 40,000 now, we have a waiting list on season tickets. We still sell our with some of the worst seats for views in the entire league and probably Championship.

We would be city based and more open to walk up and go fans.

We aim to be big don’t we? Stop thinking low, when the club does it it’s bad enough but when the fans also think low it makes my blood boil.
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This
 

Dogs_of_War said:
Spurs have got a far bigger fanbase than us at the minute, you’d only have to look at social media followers, shirts on sale in foreign countries or games shown live on Sky to see that. They might have got similar attendances to us but they had a waiting list for about 20 years for season ticket holders.

55,000 - 60,000 isn’t exactly leaving us short in terms of competing with these clubs.
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Social Media followers can be used as a rough guideline for how popular clubs are in say a 1-2 year period that is all. Leicester have a distorted number of Social Media followers due to their title win, but it is absolutely not reflective of their matchgoing fanbase. They have something like 6M Facebook followers to our 3M, despite being ranked 18th-20th with about 300K when they were promoted the season before winning the league. Liekwise, any club who has not been in the PL for years have far lower representation. Stoke have double the Facebook followers that Leeds do.
 
Dogs_of_War said:
Fair enough mate, we deffo missed a trick when redeveloping the Park End etc.

I’m not arguing that we couldn’t fill 60,000. But I’d be wary of going above that. Nowadays clubs don’t rely on attendances as much as they did, footballs becoming unaffordable for plenty of working class people, Sky are showing more and more games at unreasonable times for fans and the majority of fixtures are no longer played on a Saturday afternoon. With advances in technology, kids don’t even have to leave the house to ‘feel’ like they’re in the ground - they can sit there with a VR headset on and have a better seat than anyone.
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of those statements, but that is for now. If the TV money drops then we will be reliant on what the stadium can generate. Also we more than any other club (PL at least) try to price to encourage and keep the younger (and less affluent) going to the game. Let's give them a stadium where that can happen instead of trying to squeeze every last drop out of it if we had something we could easily fill.
 
EFC78 said:
Social Media followers can be used as a rough guideline for how popular clubs are in say a 1-2 year period that is all. Leicester have a distorted number of Social Media followers due to their title win, but it is absolutely not reflective of their matchgoing fanbase. They have something like 6M Facebook followers to our 3M, despite being ranked 18th-20th with about 300K when they were promoted the season before winning the league. Liekwise, any club who has not been in the PL for years have far lower representation. Stoke have double the Facebook followers that Leeds do.
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I agree mate. Was just using it as an easy method between the interest in Spurs and us at present
 
I travel over 5/6 Times a year
An old mate of my dad and his son have 2 season tickets and I use the dads one and give him 30 quid a go.
I’ve brought the wife once
She will never go back to Goodison.
I won’t go if I can only get restricted views.
If it’s a brand new stadium and I’ve a season ticket I’ll go to most Sat/Sun games as flights are cheap to fly in and out the same day
A lot more will go to a brand new stadium with good facilities and no restricted views
It’ll be a day out and families will have plenty to do in the redeveloped docklands
As someone said earlier , build it and they will come.
Also Moshiri and Usmanov won’t do Small time.
They will want the best stadium for a top 4 side and they will squeeze every penny out of the stadium.
These lads are not accidental billionaires or rich by birth
 

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