New Everton Stadium

[Dr Baxter]

Or you could say we only filled our current capacity because we sold tickets for £5 or £6. The problem is how we go from that to selling out a 60k Stadium at £40 to £50. Make no mistake the numbers only add up if we can have a matchday income that is around four or five times what we have now. The capacity is only going up by a factor of 1.5 so where does the rest come from.

See my post.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Some people just cannot help but criticize, even when they don't know the truth. It seems to be the default for many. Always easier to find fault than it is to say 'well done'.

Some call it realism, but it's only that if it is fact. At the moment these fears are based on previous Everton failures, nothing more.

If this doesn't happen, I will be pretty devastated but take it on the chin and accept that Everton are destined for long term mediocrity, that my faith and hope in Moshiri was misplaced and that the 1980s is pretty much all I will ever have to shout about as an Evertonian. It's wearing very thin.

Thing is that is were I have been for the last 20 years so until I hear publicly from the Everton hierarchy that BMD is off then I might as well trust my instinct that this will happen. I have no inside knowledge - just don't think a billionaire and his pals will allow this opportunity to slip from their grasp and they will have been expensively advised all the way along.

We are in the midst of a consultation period - whether genuine or lip service - it has to be completed (23rd Feb) before anything further is released I'd say. Also don't think an expensive architect would still be engaging via Facebook if the plan was dead in the water.

Time to wait and see. The month of March may well tell us a lot more.

A voice of sanity. Word perfect, mate.

 

[Dabluez]

Ok..didn't realize I was in a competitive situation. Lost!?!? Thought we were just expressing opinions albeit slightly differing ones. I'll keep my counsel and call it a draw until the Everton Board confirm that you are right, I am wrong, Moshiri's a fraud and we are going to Croxteth or Kirkby after all. Or (perish the thought) we are going to BMD.

Your whole premise is based on a billionaire owner guaranteeing the money.

So as soon as that doesn't happen the rest falls like a pack of cards.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Everyone in the Premier League gets the TV money, it is an irrelevance. Deduct it from a Clubs income and you start to get a true picture. Hospitality that means charging true blues £200-300 a game. Can you afford that I can't.

No, but you might spend £20 on ale each home game in a modern stadium which offered you the chance to have a pre match, half time and post match pint or 6 in comfort. I know I would. That's £20 I currently spend in pubs in town. Multiply that by lots of fans doing the same every home game and you get lots of money.

 

[Dabluez]

See my post.

I have seen your post and it is based on your expectation that you would spend more if you were afforded a comfortable environment and swift service. The only way you would be afforded that environment is if you were paying hospitality prices.

Are you prepared to pay the price ?

 

[Dabluez]

No, but you might spend £20 on ale each home game in a modern stadium which offered you the chance to have a pre match, half time and post match pint or 6 in comfort. I know I would. That's £20 I currently spend in pubs in town. Multiply that by lots and you get lots of money.

How much space do you think would be needed for 60,000 punters to get a pint or two in comfortable surroundings. How could you possibly justify that space when it only generates a profit for a couple of hours a fortnight.

The whole thing is based on lunacy.

 

[Dr Baxter]

How much space do you think would be needed for 60,000 punters to get a pint or two in comfortable surroundings. How could you possibly justify that space when it only generates a profit for a couple of hours a fortnight.

The whole thing is based on lunacy.

I didn't suggest every single fan would do. Luckily there is far more room at BM than at GP. I've never had any trouble getting served at Wembley since the rebuild, by the way.

 

[Dr Baxter]

I have seen your post and it is based on your expectation that you would spend more if you were afforded a comfortable environment and swift service. The only way you would be afforded that environment is if you were paying hospitality prices.

Are you prepared to pay the price ?

No it isn't. Doesn't have to be luxurious, just comfortable. By the way, is there a decent pub left around Goodison? They are all dumps and packed to the gunwales every match.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Your whole premise is based on a billionaire owner guaranteeing the money.

So as soon as that doesn't happen the rest falls like a pack of cards.

Fine. Accept your points. Let's both hope that you are very wrong and I am nearer to being right. If not then as fellow Evertonians who have both suffered an awful lot of pain, we are definitely up [Poor language removed] street without a paddle.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You have lost on the first line though. Our billionaire investor isn't prepared to guarantee the money he is relying on the council. Whilst it may be true that the council can borrow the money cheaper than the Club it is also true that Moshiri/Usmanov could lend the money at an inter company rate that would blow the current deal out of the water.

WHY WON'T THEY DO THAT ?

There will be a slush fund of x amount of years in case for any reason we couldn't pay, which is ludicrous in the extreme as the stadium pays for itself through the extra income it generates.

We don't know if Usmanov is a part of this and I'm sure the premier league would be very interested if he loaned Everton 500 million while owning Arsenal. I doubt Moshiri has 500 million just sitting in the bank that he could loan us so that rules that out. The council deal is a perfect solution that only people that walk around with dark clouds above their head object to. The council make money, we get cheaper rates. Everton are not going bust within the next 20 years.

 

[Achilles Heel]

A voice of sanity. Word perfect, mate.

Cheers - apart from the typo on 'were.' Never mind.

Get fed up with the negativity from some. Enjoy the forum but for a few it's all doom and gloom. We are spending more than every club in the world apart from 6 (poorly I admit but still spending) and yet the club only want mediocrity, according to the usual suspects.

Posted before that I have been to visit EFC through work and mediocrity is a long way from the minds of the people that work there. The club wants to achieve and that comes from Moshiri...no doubt. BMD is at the forefront of their thinking and the impression that I got was they expect it to happen.

 

[Achilles Heel]

There will be a slush fund of x amount of years in case for any reason we couldn't pay, which is ludicrous in the extreme as the stadium pays for itself through the extra income it generates.

We don't know if Usmanov is a part of this and I'm sure the premier league would be very interested if he loaned Everton 500 million while owning Arsenal. I doubt Moshiri has 500 million just sitting in the bank that he could loan us so that rules that out. The council deal is a perfect solution that only people that walk around with dark clouds above their head object to. The council make money, we get cheaper rates. Everton are not going bust within the next 20 years.

Wish I'd written that....

A power house in the south, and a power house in the north. Both clubs of similar stature for many years albeit one more successful recently. Owned by 2 bezzie mates with a few quid to spare. Sounds like a plan. Just imagine if they played each other in the FA Cup Final, finished 1st & 2nd in the PL or faced off in the Champions League. Might be a few quid in that, no matter who wins.

 

[bitter-no-better]

The council is borrowing from a central government fund the Public Works Loan Board. It is the council that is borrowing the money and the council who will the one held responsible if the repayments aren't met. So that is the citizens of Liverpool who are taking the risk and it is Peel and USM who will benefit if it comes off.

Maybe take a look how West Ham have dealt with moving to large capacity stadium with reduced ticketing. It will give you an idea of how it will be done.

 

[arch stanton]

No, but you might spend £20 on ale each home game in a modern stadium which offered you the chance to have a pre match, half time and post match pint or 6 in comfort. I know I would. That's £20 I currently spend in pubs in town. Multiply that by lots of fans doing the same every home game and you get lots of money.

it'd have to be a decent beer, I'm not spending £20 on Changpiss

 

[Dabluez]

There will be a slush fund of x amount of years in case for any reason we couldn't pay, which is ludicrous in the extreme as the stadium pays for itself through the extra income it generates.

We don't know if Usmanov is a part of this and I'm sure the premier league would be very interested if he loaned Everton 500 million while owning Arsenal. I doubt Moshiri has 500 million just sitting in the bank that he could loan us so that rules that out. The council deal is a perfect solution that only people that walk around with dark clouds above their head object to. The council make money, we get cheaper rates. Everton are not going bust within the next 20 years.

That is the kind of sh'te you come out with when you are trying to sell a Ponzi scheme or a pyramid scheme. Though to be fair they make a more convincing argument.

'There will be slush fund'

Is that the best you can up with.

Make a cognitive or substantive argument were the numbers add up.