I’m not sensitive , just don’t like being talked down to by supporters of clubs who think because they have had a few seasons relative success they are bigger than we are
We should just accept a mid sized stadium because we are a mid sized club
We should just accept a mid sized stadium because we are a mid sized club
If you knew the history of the quote you would see it in a different light but you are commenting on something you have little or no knowledge onI'm 3 years younger than you and our views on building and paying for very expensively built stadiums were totally different but your articulate post above has made me completely change my mind and I now believe both Spurs and Everton won't have any problems at all paying for 60,000+ stadiums
blueboy1945
Player Valuation: £8m
Well, as an arl fart myself I can't see anything wrong with it, we have to move with the times. Replica shirts, flags and banners though are a definite no no! I wouldn't call anything Kopite behaviour as I think it's a horrible expression.
H.H.
Player Valuation: £10m
Brisan123 I fully admit that I had no idea that your/the quote meant anything?
You keep repeating things that I haven't said so I will say to you one more time, I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID that Spurs are bigger than Everton (and who is the bigger club is very much a close thing and up for argument but thats just a Willy waving totally irrelevant subject anyway.)
To add the quote from Evertons history into a discussion about stadium finance is a little strange in my opinion but like myself, you're obviously a very passionate supporter of your team and the more of us about the better that is for the future of football
SO on that note (and so that this doesn't end up getting personal) I will leave it there with you and like I said in my very first post
"I hope that you end up with the stadium you hope for
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You keep repeating things that I haven't said so I will say to you one more time, I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID that Spurs are bigger than Everton (and who is the bigger club is very much a close thing and up for argument but thats just a Willy waving totally irrelevant subject anyway.)
To add the quote from Evertons history into a discussion about stadium finance is a little strange in my opinion but like myself, you're obviously a very passionate supporter of your team and the more of us about the better that is for the future of football
SO on that note (and so that this doesn't end up getting personal) I will leave it there with you and like I said in my very first post
"I hope that you end up with the stadium you hope for
."
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larrygobfiend
Player Valuation: £40m
Your recent posts in responses to a perfectly reasonable Spur's fan are embarrassing. At no point has he patronised or belittled Everton. You're a paranoid mess.
Not the first time.
http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/becky-hellard-new-report-1-520623
COUNCIL taxpayers will be denied the right to know exactly why former chief executive Becky Hellard left Breckland Council so abruptly - because of a gagging clause signed by her and the authority and because it “would cause unwarranted distress to her and be an invasion of her privacy”.
That is at the heart of a ruling which has finally been made by the national information watchdog after a long investigation following complaints by the Times.
But we have managed to prove that Breckland should have been more open about aspects of the case, and we have had it confirmed that Ms Hellard walked away from the council with a pay-off of around £65,000.
The saga - dubbed by some disgruntled council staff as “Hellardgate” - has been rumbling on since late 2006.
Various allegations were made against Ms Hellard - who was 40 years old at the time and one of the youngest senior women council officials in the country - by staff at Breckland.
The allegations were “undisclosed issues surrounding her”, and in November 2006 she “took a step back” from her role as chief executive and was no longer working at the council offices. She then resigned on December 8.
In the weeks leading up to her resignation, the Times received a huge number of phone calls, e-mails and letters about the allegations.
An internal investigation was launched by Breckland and a group of officers and councillors given the job of probing the complaints. When she resigned, the inquiry was ended.
Ms Hellard had not been suspended and remained on full pay.
Within two weeks, she had secured a job with Bradford Council on up to £125,000. A few months afterwards, she secured the role of chief finance officer which would have seen her get another pay rise.
The height of the saga came at the start of the 2007 local council elections and there was genuine concern from some politicians that the shroud of mystery could impact on their getting re-elected.
Breckland declined our requests
for full disclosure on two occasions,
so we went to the Information Commissioner's Office. It took nearly a year to start its investigation due to the huge backlog of cases across the country.
The ICO has agreed Breckland did not have to reveal the allegations against Ms Hellard and specific details of payments to her.
The so-called compromise agreement signed by the council and Ms Hellard allowed the information to be kept private.
However, the ICO said Breckland had not complied fully or partly with eight parts of our complaints, including the fact that allegations were made against Ms Hellard by other members of staff at Breckland.
There were no allegations by elected members or outside companies, individuals or organisations.
Breckland has also admitted that the so-called Strategic Alliance - a pioneering “marriage” between Breckland and private companies which has now been sidelined - was referred to in one allegation.
But the company itself was not involved and allegations did not relate to council property or other assets.
Breckland said Ms Hellard gave formal written notice of resignation “early on in the investigatory process” and her termination package was “related specifically to her contractural period of notice of six months”.
The Times knows from senior sources that she got a package amounting to around £65,000 when she left. She had been earning £100,000 a year and was in control of an £18m budget and about 200 staff.
The council has had to reveal the investigating officers, who were interim head of human resources Peter Jermy and council solicitor
John Chinnery, as well as a
panel of the councillors, who
were chairman Sheila Childerhouse, Paul Claussen, Ray Key and Ann Steward.
But the ICO agrees that Breckland does not have to reveal the nature of the allegations against Ms Hellard as the investigation into them was not completed and she has not been able fully to defend herself.
The ICO has supported the basis of compromise agreements as they “avoid the time, expense and stress of litigation in an employment tribunal where an employer/employee relationship has broken down”.
Complaints officer Elizabeth Woodworth said: “While the commissioner does recognise the legitimate interest of the public in understanding the reasons why Ms Hellard left the council and that senior officials should expect to be more accountable in relation to some information (particularly information concerning their professional lives), the commissioner believes that the information carries a very strong expectation of privacy which outweighs the arguments for disclosure in this case.
“ ...the commissioner is satisfied that general disclosure would not be fair as it would cause unwarranted distress to Ms Hellard.”
Ms Hellard did not respond to the Times' request to comment on the outcome of the case.
RobSpurs
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Don't mean to be the bringer of bad news, but I read today the hole punch has increased Anfield's revenues by more than 50% per match (!). With European football that should mean matchday revenue of £80-90m per season.
It seems every time a top club releases their latest accounts, the need for you to do something about your own stadium situation is thrown into even sharper relief.
It seems every time a top club releases their latest accounts, the need for you to do something about your own stadium situation is thrown into even sharper relief.
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You can talk all you want about past trophies but plenty of fans have never seen us win anything. At the moment Spurs are a bigger club than us and unless things change quickly that gap will only continue to get bigger at an exponential rate.
If we continue to slide I doubt we will fill Goodison every week nevermind a 60k stadium.
At least some clubs have the entire city with no competition. What's stopping young fans from choosing Liverpool.
Sorry I zoned out and the only thing I took from this is the salaries these people are on.
And people wonder why I hate socialism.
Anyway does this have anything to do with the stadium.
Just replying to what one of the lads said above "I see that Liverpool City Council's director of finance, Becky Hellard, has resigned"
allegedly she's resigned from Liverpool city council under a bit of a cloud, was just pointing out this wasn't the first time she's resigned after some issues.
Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
Remind me of when Spurs last won the League or the FA Cup
What other clubs do is of no concern to us and doesn't affect our plans going forward in the slightest.
The Spurs supporters that do come on here I find to be most informative and sensible. Historically I think that we are possibly more successful than them, but presently they are streets ahead of us in terms of stadium and the teams on the pitch.
However, I do think their best success has come in the appointment of their manager. Ironically, going forward, keeping him and Kane may be an even bigger test than anything faced so far because I think Levy just may be more money man than football man.
The Spurs supporters that do come on here I find to be most informative and sensible. Historically I think that we are possibly more successful than them, but presently they are streets ahead of us in terms of stadium and the teams on the pitch.
However, I do think their best success has come in the appointment of their manager. Ironically, going forward, keeping him and Kane may be an even bigger test than anything faced so far because I think Levy just may be more money man than football man.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
Agree. Spurs fans will argue that they are more successful than us because if you are viewing each trophy equally then they are. They have won considerably more major trophies than us. But this way of looking at it implies that trophies such as the League Cup can be held up alongside a League Title which is obviously ridiculous. So I would much rather have our history of 'success' than theirs where we have been the best team in the country 9 times to their 2.
They are streets ahead of us at the moment though in things that actually matter. It's great that we have our proud history but I want us to be able to compete with the top clubs now. Spurs have muscled in on the elite and fair play to them, they just need to start adding more trophies to show how much they have improved. They beat us comfortably most of the time these days and are moving in to an incredible new stadium and are comfortably one of the biggest clubs in the country at this moment in time.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spurs are a fine club. Good history, try to play attractive football, one of the better clubs out there. But they're miles off Everton in terms of status.