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Aye, travelling up the Lancs and on into Kirkby is much more scenic and aesthetically tasteful.
Err, hate to break it to you but we're not moving to Kirkby (probably not moving to WHP either like)

I refuse to accept Goodison cannot be redeveloped, even if that means a 10-15 year phased strategy of re-building. If the will is there and we can muster up enough money to redevelop one stand at a time, it can be done.

I would love to see the Bullens Road stand retained and redeveloped with the posts and roof removed and a new tier built to the rear of the current Upper Bullens - not dissimilar to what the RS are doing with their main stand albeit that is a massive structure and is costing them a fortune. Could possibly put exec boxes in what is now the lower Bullens. This would obviously be subject to the purchase of some houses and land on the other side of Bullens Road, and the diversion of the road itself. Tricky but far from impossible...
 
I don't know all the exact facts and figures so don't rip my post to shreds!
I was just thinking that our debt was somewhere around the £100m mark and that the TV money we're getting plus league position money is roughly £120m so if we paid all our debts off is there any chance this may help us in our quest to find a buyer? Would we be more attractive to any potential buyers if we paid that debt off?
 
I don't know all the exact facts and figures so don't rip my post to shreds!
I was just thinking that our debt was somewhere around the £100m mark and that the TV money we're getting plus league position money is roughly £120m so if we paid all our debts off is there any chance this may help us in our quest to find a buyer? Would we be more attractive to any potential buyers if we paid that debt off?
Probably depends on the asking price which BK will not disclose, although it now seems we're not and never were up for sale
 
I don't know all the exact facts and figures so don't rip my post to shreds!
I was just thinking that our debt was somewhere around the £100m mark and that the TV money we're getting plus league position money is roughly £120m so if we paid all our debts off is there any chance this may help us in our quest to find a buyer? Would we be more attractive to any potential buyers if we paid that debt off?

Debt is increasing though and the TV income is earmarked already for players and keeping the lights on. We urgently need to increase non TV incomes.
 

Net debt was down considerably though, by 30 million. Make of it what you will.

I will

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All at once though. Are you really saying we paid it all cash in hand no installments or performance based clauses? Everton paying for a transfer in that manner?
We didn't.
Even if half of it went on him we still saw a significant reduction of debt overall.
 
I don't know all the exact facts and figures so don't rip my post to shreds!
I was just thinking that our debt was somewhere around the £100m mark and that the TV money we're getting plus league position money is roughly £120m so if we paid all our debts off is there any chance this may help us in our quest to find a buyer? Would we be more attractive to any potential buyers if we paid that debt off?

Not without a new stadium.
 

There have been lots of posts suggesting that we can't redevelop goodison. I haven't quoted them all. But the suggestions that Goodison is landlocked etc and therefore can't be redeveloped are untrue. For a start we could build as big a stand as we wanted at the Park End (and that would just be a quick fix). There are actually many approaches we could take to redevelop it to provide both the increased capacity and corporate facilities.

Also, rather than seeing Goodisons age and condition as a burden, we should be playing on the fact that Goodison was the first purpose built football ground in the country, and has stands designed by Archibald Leitch.

I'll quote myself from the stadium thread where I discussed *one* of the approaches we could take. (Note there are many other ways this could be tackled... I just favoured this approach because it didn't require any land take)

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...ate-within-months.66451/page-238#post-3361137


"When the main stand was built in 1970 they did it in such a way that would help future re-developments. That is why it doesn't line up with the pitch. The general idea would be:

1) Knock down the Park End
2) Move the pitch (towards the Park End) to be inline with the main stand (thus creating room at the Street End...)
3) Build a massive new Park End Stand with executive boxes. (Bear in mind that the Holte End at Villa has a seated capacity of > 13,000)
4) Knock down the Street End and build a new stand taking advantage of the increased space resulting from the pitch move. This would then solve the "church problem" - ie we wouldn't lose so much capacity from the space caused by the church.
5) Re-configure the main stand as follows:
5a) Build a new roof as per the original plans that doesn't need the big posts at the front (thus getting rid of most of the obstructed views)
5b) Add an executive tier below the top balcony (which gets rid of the rest of the obstructed views)
5c) Get rid of the existing lean-to executive boxes at the front and hence "re-claim" all of the enclosure

The above plan gives us new Park and Street End stands, a reconfigured main stand with no obstructed views, increased capacity, and a significant increase in our corporate capacity, without any need to land take.

The only remaining un-developed stand would be the Bullens road, which in the short term could (and should!) be kept as a heritage Archibald Leitch football stand. Again as mentioned earlier in the thread we could take off the iron-cladding and re-point the brickwork to show it off for the treasure that it is.

Ideas do exist for developing the Bullens Road, but of course this would require land take and re-locating the school, or including it in the new structure.

This is only one version of the Goodison redevelopment options available to us, but they just happen to be the ones that appeal to me. When I find the time I will upload the documents I have which show these plans in more detail."


Proof, please?!!

My arl fella was the concreting ganger on the main stand when it was built. I've just spoke to him re this & he has absolutely no idea what you're on about.
 
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All at once though. Are you really saying we paid it all cash in hand no installments or performance based clauses? Everton paying for a transfer in that manner?
We didn't.
Even if half of it went on him we still saw a significant reduction of debt overall.

We had £20.9m of cash in the bank at the time of the last accounts which pre-dates the Lukaku transfer. Nobody really knows where that has gone unless you're on the inside. However, it isn't a wild stab in the dark to suggest a massive chunk, if not all, went to Chelsea days later.

Incidentally net debt wasn't down last year by £30m as you stated, it went down by £17.1m
 
Proof of what? The positioning of the main stand?
If thats what you mean (?) then sorry to give a slightly silly answer, but look at its position.


So your theory is based entirely on the positioning. So tell me, if it was about the position for future redevelopment as you state; then why was the Park end built exactly where it was?
 
So your theory is based entirely on the positioning. So tell me, if it was about the position for future redevelopment as you state; then why was the Park end built exactly where it was?

Alot of this has been mentioned in the thread already (by me and other people). But I'll mention some of the key things again, and I also have an issue with your question (see point 3)

1) It isn't my theory. I'm summarising parts of plans drawn up by an architect after Kirkby fell through (and as such it isn't just theory)
2) The reason the Park End was built exactly where it was because the club abandoned the original plan.
3) When you say that "my theory is based entirely on the positioning" you have chosen to focus purely on the pitch move which is possible as a result of the positioning of the main stand. However, what I have suggested isn't based entirely on the positioning at all. I have talked about various other options, for example re-configuring the main stand and building a massive stand at the park end (which could be as big as we want it to be) which would give us pretty much everything a new stadium would give us in terms of capacity and corporate boxes. This has nothing to do with the positioning of the main stand whatsoever.

Finally, as I have already said in a previous post, my purpose for posting this is a reaction to people perpetuating the myth that Goodison can't be redeveloped. What I have posted is only one version of the plans that happen to appeal to me. There are many other re-development options, for example converting the lower bullens to corporate boxes. There are also plans out there for expanding the bullens road, but of course this is not possible without land take. Again I mentioned this in a previous post.

regards,
Jordan.
 

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