New Everton Stadium

[Goat]

Everton are basically the last big club to invest in a new stadium so the owners need to ensure it is right up there with the best or better in all matters than the others.

Chelsea are only slightly ahead in terms of progress like.

 

[blaze]

I agree, if Bill was in charge Peel would have just laughed at him and told him where to go. He wouldn’t have got as far as we are now, even though it may not even be that far.
Peel and the council are working with Everton purely on the fact that Moshiri has a lot of money and is friends will other rich people.

Peel would work with anyone providing it benefits them and increases their land value, their original Liverpool Waters plan seemingly had little interest and even now 10 years later it's hasn't moved beyond 1 or 2 builds on Princes Dock potentially starting this year. Right now they're probably overjoyed at the idea of Everton investing in the area because it helps their plans to find more investment (their now much smaller scale plans for Liverpool Waters will also help with that too). The council on the other hand have been messed around before so I wouldn't be surprised if they would have been a little more reluctant to work with them without someone like Moshiri running things.

 

[ParisToffee]

But covered tops look tacky and ultimately, small time - taking the shine off the whole thing.

We were the first in many things in football history in England so surely being the first to make a non tacky covering can be done

 

[bitter-no-better]

Well Anfield will be expanded to 62.000 - that means according Billie Boy we need a 62.001 new stadium from the ground. Don't think that we've the funds for that.

You would not need much money to convert a % of your capacity to safe standing if agreed in the future.

Let's say we start with 55k.

15% of seats converted at a later date would move the total capacity to 61.6k. (based on 1.8 people standing per seat).

Spurs have set aside areas for this should legislation change. I would expect us to do the same.

 

[MrGrumpy]

You would not need much money to convert a % of your capacity to safe standing if agreed in the future.

Let's say we start with 55k.

15% of seats converted at a later date would move the total capacity to 61.6k. (based on 1.8 people standing per seat).

Spurs have set aside areas for this should legislation change. I would expect us to do the same.

Arnt the spaces and area the same size as seats, so you don’t attually gain any extra capacity

So basically if it’s 55k an you take out 5k of seats for standing it’s still 55k just have 5k stood up

 

[Badge1878]

Wigan built a stadium that most said at the time was ambitious for a team that has seen life in every football league division - even share it with a team who play a different sport but who are on a different level in terms of past success - yet the stadium has become a hinderance because it’s simply too big. Even when they were in the Prem, for a ground that can hold 25k they rarely averaged 20k.

Apparently the Chief Exec - Sharpe - is the grandson of the former chairman, a bloke who played at Wembley & he broke his leg. I never knew that. Surprised it’s not been mentioned by him to be fair. Anyway, Sharpe is on record saying they made a mistake building it too big, even when they delivered the dream of making the Premiership. It was half empty then, a vacuum for Wigan Warriers, so the build it & they will come mantra is foolhardy.

So, what’s the point? We are Everton, building a third purpose built stadium within the city, we know what we’re doing don’t we? I’ll be honest, we all know we have to move, my wife is from Walton & even the loss of my parking space at my father in laws isn’t enough to convince me of staying, but for those who say anything less than 60k shows a lack of ambition, I just don’t see us doing 60k week in week out. Many do, fair enough, but is that for just the first season new shiny stuff & one offs when the undecided choose to go the game? West Ham worked well didn’t it, Sunderland, Bolton, Derby, Hull all look great empty in the Championship.

Are the shocking views affecting 10% of the ground the only reason the first time we sold out all available season tickets was Koeman’s first year? May have sold out in the press, but I know by the November it wasn’t a place bursting at the seams, so relying on the official attendances only tells a part of the story. Look at our attendances in the Cups - less than 25k v West Ham at home (on tv), less than that in League Cup ties. The incentive of adding an away credit shows the problem is at least recognised, but for many it’s bought but still don’t turn up. Once you’re in a dead rubber Europa game, not many there for the prospect of seeing the young lads is there.

But we’re different aren’t we? We’re Everton & a 60k sell out ground is the minimum, we have a waiting list don’t we. 55k? You’re lacking ambition lad. You want the truth, we’re Everton & the money received from season tickets isn’t the biggest single % of revenue it once was. Staying in the Prem is more important than having an increase of say 20k season ticket holders. The real value for moving is, let’s face it, is the new commercial opportunities and corporate opportunities it offers (& staying in the prem)

We need continued success on the pitch if we are to attract a continued base approaching anything like 60k. I get we can sell out for some games, but pretending the appeal is one that’s constant, with a huge debt to repay, isn’t realistic & the lack of info from the club says to me we’ll be managing expectations of stadium capacity rather landing a leading contender for a future Champions League Final.

 

[bitter-no-better]

Arnt the spaces and area the same size as seats, so you don’t attually gain any extra capacity

So basically if it’s 55k an you take out 5k of seats for standing it’s still 55k just have 5k stood up

(This explains how it could be done)

In a country where the national regulations permit it and a stadium’s exits and concourses are large enough to handle the number of people concerned, you could be looking at as many as two people per seat space (in Hannover, for instance, 5,700 fans stand in an area of 3,000 rail seats).

In the UK, however, seating rows tend not to be as deep as they are in, for example, Germany and in existing UK stadia the exits and concourses will have been designed to cope with no more people than the number of seats in the stand. In retrofit situations, therefore, achieving more than one person per seat may present a challenge – albeit not insurmountable.

For new builds, however, the situation is different. Whether architects are designing a new stand or a whole stadium, it is clearly possible for them to design exits and concourses large enough to cope with more people than there are seats. This is precisely what Tottenham have done for the new White Hart Lane.

 

[EveBlue]

There are some good comments on this. while i would love us to have a 65k sold out stadium every week, realistically 55k is the max i think we should build. The add on is the switch to standing which im sure will be in place by the time we actually move to take us to 60 plus. I could not care what the reds capacity is, i would rather have a 35k sold out cauldron than a half empty 65k white elephant

 

[joey_macmo]

Safe standing won’t be anything more than a 1:1 ratio in this country.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Safe standing won’t be anything more than a 1:1 ratio in this country.

If we ever have it

 

[MrGrumpy]

(This explains how it could be done)

In a country where the national regulations permit it and a stadium’s exits and concourses are large enough to handle the number of people concerned, you could be looking at as many as two people per seat space (in Hannover, for instance, 5,700 fans stand in an area of 3,000 rail seats).

In the UK, however, seating rows tend not to be as deep as they are in, for example, Germany and in existing UK stadia the exits and concourses will have been designed to cope with no more people than the number of seats in the stand. In retrofit situations, therefore, achieving more than one person per seat may present a challenge – albeit not insurmountable.

For new builds, however, the situation is different. Whether architects are designing a new stand or a whole stadium, it is clearly possible for them to design exits and concourses large enough to cope with more people than there are seats. This is precisely what Tottenham have done for the new White Hart Lane.

It’s all well an good but if they ever do allow it it will be 1 person per seat area, you wont get an extra capacity for it.

 

[degsy]

BK is 'chairman without portfolio'. He's a puppet.

With some definate Pinocchio tendencies

Building a 55k stadium will be a lot cheaper to building a 65k stadium (less than 55k cheaper still).

Funding is obviously the problem here rather than any view that the club couldn't fill the stadium regularly with some fairly moderate success on the pitch.

I'm still, sticking with my 52,000 figure and we won't get a penny change out of 600M
Edit: maybe more.

 

[Brisan123]

It would be all about how the stadium was managed and run and with a good team that actually knows about PR/Marketing ! Also like some stadiums the upper tier could be covered and not used depending on demand

The stadium would also provide other money streams to the club in regard to say music concerts, used for other sports like rugby or Cricket? A good marketing team would try to attract for example England International out of London or try to get NFL game/WWE wrestling due to growing popularity?

A reasonable priced season ticket fee would hopefully say get 50,000 season ticket holders so with say 5000 commercial seats ( rough guess) and depending on away support as we should give a basic number that could be added or decreased depending on relationship with said clubs 10,000 so yjere alone is 65,000 seats/
If club set up one stand as the "family' syand where a family of 2 adults and 3 kids under age of 14 go free? the kids fill the seats and kids will demand sweets, soft drinks, burgers from parents so with good food supplier its increased revenue
Same way with Everton in the Community we could donate tickets to charities and am sure media pr of us bringing for example elderly folks from retirement homes, ex service men/women, schools etc would also add to the charm of "The People's Club" who are there for the People

New stadiums attract walk in guests so thats where the team would target tourists to city, supporters clubs worldwide with fixed reasonable priced tickets

50000 or 55000 stadium capacity is safe bet but Everton needs to stop the "poor little us punching above our weight" attitude Kenwright instilled in club :-(

Imagine us with a stadium that has 15000 or 20000 more capacity then Redshite what sign it paints in city? Who cares if its not full every week to capacity but a new stadium of 55000 or 60000 will increase revenue compared to Goodison and then imagine for a derby to wind them up we only give them 1000 seats and then put a 10000 safe zone between them and rest of stadium? The media fallout would be hillarious ;-)

Everyone will go on about funding now etc that we're struggling for 50000 stadium so why dream of 80000? ulk buying usually ends up cheaper in long run I hope every year we'll win title even though no one rates our chances and as Everton we need to become the in your face look at what we are doing club And a stadium bigger than our city rivals is the minimum to expect if we're going to be noticed

Croke Park in Dublin has 3/4 80,000 sell out concerts every year and up until recently had a American football college game every year that sold out 80,000 seats, with a lot of those American tourists
It can be done with the right commercial team

 

[degsy]

With the CWGs white elephant foisted on to the brummies the running track is dead and gone. I feel that the CWGs plan of 48,000 with track and then re jigged to 52,000 will stay as the basic plan.
The river and other things imposes natural constraints, but the CWGs 48k-52k was a best bang per buck thing. Yes you can shoe horn 61,878 on there but the costs will rise exponentially, which will affect the ability to add concourses and all the other bells and whistles that enhance the bare bones matchday.
FC Bigstand struggle to sell out now.
The Club will have figures that reflect the waiting list / initial optimistic surge in advance new stadium sales...I've put myself down for 4, so will others
Developers and Engineers always want it bigger, faster, shinier, V8, twin turbo, which is why they don't let them run things.
Accountants run things
And Moshiri is???

An Accountant.

Sorry lids, 52K it is, aka, small but perfectly formed.

 

[kithnou]

It can be done with the right commercial team

Oh well. There goes that one then.