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New Everton Stadium

All this talk of 60k+ capacity. I mean, I get that people want us to be the biggest we can be, but let's be serious for a minute. Our current capacity isn't even 40k, so anything above 50k is more than 25% increase. 60k and you're looking at a 50+% increase on what we currently have. Now I'm not saying we couldn't sell 60k tickets every now and then, but personally, I think a packed stadium with tickets being at a premium, rather than a stadium with 10k empty seats most weeks, is better for business and atmosphere.

Everyone saying it shows a lack of ambition by building a new stadium in a prime location with a smaller capacity than Liverpool is living in a dream world. Liverpool, whether we like it or not, are a global brand, along with Man Utd, they are on another level. Maybe we will get that big again, but at the moment, we're nowhere near it, and I'm pretty sure that the people doing the market research for the stadium will pick a capacity that reflects what is best for business. That doesn't make us small time. Also, im sure it said the other week that there would be scope for redevelopment. That is a positive, not a negative.

For those who think we are going for the cheap option, if that was the case, we wouldn't be looking at building where we are,there are much cheaper, less ambitious areas we could've redeveloped, and the location itself will be the true mark of ambition, not the initial capacity. If we improve to a point where we need to expand the capacity, that means we are doing things right on and off the pitch. In many ways, the cheaper option would be building it bigger now, so it's not a cost cutting exercise. It's about strategy, not showing off.
 
All this talk of 60k+ capacity. I mean, I get that people want us to be the biggest we can be, but let's be serious for a minute. Our current capacity isn't even 40k, so anything above 50k is more than 25% increase. 60k and you're looking at a 50+% increase on what we currently have. Now I'm not saying we couldn't sell 60k tickets every now and then, but personally, I think a packed stadium with tickets being at a premium, rather than a stadium with 10k empty seats most weeks, is better for business and atmosphere.

Everyone saying it shows a lack of ambition by building a new stadium in a prime location with a smaller capacity than Liverpool is living in a dream world. Liverpool, whether we like it or not, are a global brand, along with Man Utd, they are on another level. Maybe we will get that big again, but at the moment, we're nowhere near it, and I'm pretty sure that the people doing the market research for the stadium will pick a capacity that reflects what is best for business. That doesn't make us small time. Also, im sure it said the other week that there would be scope for redevelopment. That is a positive, not a negative.

For those who think we are going for the cheap option, if that was the case, we wouldn't be looking at building where we are,there are much cheaper, less ambitious areas we could've redeveloped, and the location itself will be the true mark of ambition, not the initial capacity. If we improve to a point where we need to expand the capacity, that means we are doing things right on and off the pitch. In many ways, the cheaper option would be building it bigger now, so it's not a cost cutting exercise. It's about strategy, not showing off.

Global brand they are. What are City trying to do at the moment create one to compete.

While you’re suggesting we accept we aren’t one and carry on as we are. Sadly fans like you are the real reason we haven’t won a pot in 20 years.
 

If you don't aim high then you don't achieve anything. Anyone defending the board on this and saying 50000 is plenty clearly lacks ambition themselves and should have a word. You've let Bill win.

In the last 10 years who has been by far and away the most successful and ambitious club in Italy mate?

Heres the list of ground capacities for Italian teams currently

Inter and AC Milan - 80k
Roma and Lazio - 70k
Napoli 60k
Bari - 58k
Fiorentina 43k
Juventus 42k

Roma are currently building to a 52-55k capacity spec, Juve about 7 years ago left a 70k stadium

The key feature is that Juve stadium as will Roma's new one are purpose built football stadiums designed with atmosphere and football/fans in mind, and in a day and age when atmospheres are dying around most grounds, to have a modern shiny stadium - innovative etc with that type of build - will IMO anyway far outweigh the benefit of trying to do a Etihad/Emirates/Wembley type of build. The others are nice big stadiums which 3 of them have nice big running tracks around them - as did Juves old one.

Yes build one with an increase in the capacity - and 100% include plans in the build which means the future expansion is pre built into the overall stadioum design - should the club ever reach the stage that it is needed/desired.

As for the letting Bill win, yup will will do if we get caught up on the capacity as the most important factor, because you can build an utter [Poor language removed] design on the cheap that has a nice big capacity, and comes in cheaper than a brilliant design we will love and think as home but will cost more per seat and have an overall lower capacity.

The valid worry, is that Bill has shown he is willing to go small AND on the cheap, my own preference is smaller than most are crying out for, but as a priority it to be done to the best standard possible

Not arsed one bit if it has 1 seat more than Anfield does or 10k less, what i do want is a stadium that blows it away in design, in the way it feels and which feels like a modern version with all the bells and whistles of a real football ground.

Get the feeling that given the choice between Juves old stadium with running track but 70k seats, and their new one, far too many of our fans would go for the higher capacity...
 
All this talk of 60k+ capacity. I mean, I get that people want us to be the biggest we can be, but let's be serious for a minute. Our current capacity isn't even 40k, so anything above 50k is more than 25% increase. 60k and you're looking at a 50+% increase on what we currently have. Now I'm not saying we couldn't sell 60k tickets every now and then, but personally, I think a packed stadium with tickets being at a premium, rather than a stadium with 10k empty seats most weeks, is better for business and atmosphere.

Everyone saying it shows a lack of ambition by building a new stadium in a prime location with a smaller capacity than Liverpool is living in a dream world. Liverpool, whether we like it or not, are a global brand, along with Man Utd, they are on another level. Maybe we will get that big again, but at the moment, we're nowhere near it, and I'm pretty sure that the people doing the market research for the stadium will pick a capacity that reflects what is best for business. That doesn't make us small time. Also, im sure it said the other week that there would be scope for redevelopment. That is a positive, not a negative.

For those who think we are going for the cheap option, if that was the case, we wouldn't be looking at building where we are,there are much cheaper, less ambitious areas we could've redeveloped, and the location itself will be the true mark of ambition, not the initial capacity. If we improve to a point where we need to expand the capacity, that means we are doing things right on and off the pitch. In many ways, the cheaper option would be building it bigger now, so it's not a cost cutting exercise. It's about strategy, not showing off.

I think there is a balance to be had. I would love it to be 61878 now, but just as I have patiently waited almost 30 years for us to move to a location that is good enough to replace Goodison, I am prepared to reluctantly accept around 55k, especially if it has the ability to be developed further in the future. I can wait to break 60k & if we quickly start to compete, it might not be that far away. More important to me to build something truly breathtaking that is instantly recognizable as Everton whilst also getting things much better on the pitch. I can just hear all those tourists on the ferry pointing at BMD and saying "...oh that must be Analfield" only to be corrected that "...no, it's [new] Goodison, home of Everton."

LFC are not filling their Hole Punch every game so the expansion to 60k is probably only really to cope with demand when the plastic tourists with their selfie cameras visit when they are playing us, a big European club or one of the other top 6 clubs. It actually could affect their already very average atmosphere even more negatively, unless they keep the prices low enough in that stand to attract local fans with less disposable income to spend on PL football. They do get a little hung up with trying to match United and won't accept that actually United are the biggest club in the country. I don't much like it either but it is true.

I am a little disappointed about the stadium possibly being a bit smaller, but so long as it is designed and built so well that there is a wow factor when people visit, and LFC fans are left absolutely gutted when they see it from their little suburb, then generally I will be delighted.
 
Since when was building a brand new stadium on a dockside location unambitious?
When it's Everton! :)

A bit dissapointed by the mood music coming out over the last day or so. I was expecting to be pleasantly surprised by a 61878 seater being the way ahead. Having said all that, if I'd been expecting a 51878 seater I'd be cock-a-hoop with a much larger new stadium in a prime location.

Seeing as I haven't got a spare half a billion or so to charitably donate to the stadium, I guess I'll have to wait and see how big the thing actually is. Still time to make it 60,000+ though Mosh.
 
Global brand they are. What are City trying to do at the moment create one to compete.

While you’re suggesting we accept we aren’t one and carry on as we are. Sadly fans like you are the real reason we haven’t won a pot in 20 years.

and the stadiums of City and Liverpool have absolutely zero to do with them becoming global brands or having success mate.

the rs are one because they had their best period and dominated the game during the first global explosion of the game, city are on the way to becoming one - not because they have a stadium which has zero atmosphere, but because they are owned by a sovereign country rich in oil.

By all means though go onto a Juve forum and slag them off for not building a 70k stadium a few years back and pointing out how it showed their acceptance of that is the reason they will win nothing for 20 years etc...
 

I get people saying we have less than 40k inside goodison how could we sell 60k tickets each fortnight... there are many ways to get that stadium packed.
. Just reduce the tickets do offers on kids tickets etc and seats will fly out
 
~ 52 k to 55 K will suit us perfectly .Arsenal struggle to get more than 45 k on weekday matches and europa league games . i will rather have a 52-55k stadium sold out every matchday and known for its atmosphere . also i wish we go for a four stand stadium rather than the bowl . why does everyone go for a bowl these days . its so soul less ..
 
All this talk of 60k+ capacity. I mean, I get that people want us to be the biggest we can be, but let's be serious for a minute. Our current capacity isn't even 40k, so anything above 50k is more than 25% increase. 60k and you're looking at a 50+% increase on what we currently have. Now I'm not saying we couldn't sell 60k tickets every now and then, but personally, I think a packed stadium with tickets being at a premium, rather than a stadium with 10k empty seats most weeks, is better for business and atmosphere.

Everyone saying it shows a lack of ambition by building a new stadium in a prime location with a smaller capacity than Liverpool is living in a dream world. Liverpool, whether we like it or not, are a global brand, along with Man Utd, they are on another level. Maybe we will get that big again, but at the moment, we're nowhere near it, and I'm pretty sure that the people doing the market research for the stadium will pick a capacity that reflects what is best for business. That doesn't make us small time. Also, im sure it said the other week that there would be scope for redevelopment. That is a positive, not a negative.

For those who think we are going for the cheap option, if that was the case, we wouldn't be looking at building where we are,there are much cheaper, less ambitious areas we could've redeveloped, and the location itself will be the true mark of ambition, not the initial capacity. If we improve to a point where we need to expand the capacity, that means we are doing things right on and off the pitch. In many ways, the cheaper option would be building it bigger now, so it's not a cost cutting exercise. It's about strategy, not showing off.
At the moment at goodison where we have a lot of restricted views, we get close to 40k every home game, we also have a waiting list for season tickets.

Once the new stadium is built fans will get the excitement and bug to start going the match again who don't already go, you will also get at least 1 to 2k visitors coming just for the experience. Also once Sam gets the boot and we get a decent manager in (Fonseca) playing great footie the fans will flock back.

60k for me is ideal
 
In the last 10 years who has been by far and away the most successful and ambitious club in Italy mate?

Heres the list of ground capacities for Italian teams currently

Inter and AC Milan - 80k
Roma and Lazio - 70k
Napoli 60k
Bari - 58k
Fiorentina 43k
Juventus 42k

Roma are currently building to a 52-55k capacity spec, Juve about 7 years ago left a 70k stadium

The key feature is that Juve stadium as will Roma's new one are purpose built football stadiums designed with atmosphere and football/fans in mind, and in a day and age when atmospheres are dying around most grounds, to have a modern shiny stadium - innovative etc with that type of build - will IMO anyway far outweigh the benefit of trying to do a Etihad/Emirates/Wembley type of build. The others are nice big stadiums which 3 of them have nice big running tracks around them - as did Juves old one.

Yes build one with an increase in the capacity - and 100% include plans in the build which means the future expansion is pre built into the overall stadioum design - should the club ever reach the stage that it is needed/desired.

As for the letting Bill win, yup will will do if we get caught up on the capacity as the most important factor, because you can build an utter [Poor language removed] design on the cheap that has a nice big capacity, and comes in cheaper than a brilliant design we will love and think as home but will cost more per seat and have an overall lower capacity.

The valid worry, is that Bill has shown he is willing to go small AND on the cheap, my own preference is smaller than most are crying out for, but as a priority it to be done to the best standard possible

Not arsed one bit if it has 1 seat more than Anfield does or 10k less, what i do want is a stadium that blows it away in design, in the way it feels and which feels like a modern version with all the bells and whistles of a real football ground.

Get the feeling that given the choice between Juves old stadium with running track but 70k seats, and their new one, far too many of our fans would go for the higher capacity...
Why are you comparing the Serie A with the biggest league in World football? Serie A has been marred with extreme football violence, religious fanatic ultra groups and corruption. This has resulted in a fall in the number of spectators.

Ridiculous comparison.
 

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