New Everton Stadium

[KaiserEFC]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Everton will find a way to mess this up spectacularly.

 

[Frang]

I would prefer a statement that outlined simply where we stand.
I just want to know where we stand. We are obviously constricted by budget and that is fine.

heres hoping. we haven't heard anything really about the stadium project. just soundbites. and the soundbites have got progressively downgraded each time.

 

[MickA]

I would like to hear what Dan Meis and those around him in the stadium design have to say about what a new stadium can bring in the short, medium and long term... because that is what is most important.. the financial cost of the build will diminish with each passing year whereas the capacity needs to be right for the short, medium and long term.

The club must have a far better idea than any of us of the latent potential of a new stadium.
They must have a good idea from other grounds that have been built of what increase can be expected immediately.
There will be a certain amount of business from visitors to the city as well as a lift in commercial activity.

I would like to hear what their expectations are.

You're aiming at the wrong target. The EFC board are the ones with the business case, Meis is simply a hired hand. They tell him to build in possible expansion for x amount and he'll offer solutions but he won't be driving those discussions.

 

[Dymak]

To have not even decided on the size of the stadium by now is very poor, what are they waiting for exactly?

 

[Frang]

To have not even decided on the size of the stadium by now is very poor, what are they waiting for exactly?

we are only 2 years down the line mate. be patient.

 

[windymiller]

dan meis has already pointed out that there are several factors to consider when sizing the stadium, with financial being one.

we just may not be able to fund a larger stadium. funds might be restricting the size. which is laughable really, with a billionaire in charge

@davek

Of course, and we shouldn't bankrupt the club for vanity but I do worry about the average age of fans at the games. When I started going down to Goodison regularly I was in my early teens and there seemed to be loads of other lads there around the same age but now, even in the lower Gwladys where you would expect all the youngsters, it seems to be an older crowd. Of course, this all might be perception trumping reality but if we are not getting kids, teenagers and young adults through the turnstiles then we'll have to rely on Norwegians, Chinese and Southerners in their 40's to plug the gap and what sort of a club would encourage that!

Not saying a bigger stadium guarantees a better spread of ages in the ground but if it is coupled with clever pricing, links with schools and promotions for kids it couldn't hurt.

 

[paulbefc]

My maths says we'll be getting 9k in the new stadium who aren't ST holders, corporate/premium or away fans, and a lot of that 9k will be sold to members who aren't ST holders. After that there will be very few tickets left on General Sale which tourists can get hold of.

Our average attendance at Wembley has been 68k (the best supported club in Europe).

Yeah, I'm bragging, but my point is I think our two clubs are pretty similar in terms of size. Assume the biggest difference is corporate (sounds like you're looking at 5k for your stadium compared with NWHL's 8k) and the magic number is 59,000. So 55-60k would be where I'd be aiming for, below that and you'll really be putting the squeeze on non-ST members, nevermind worrying about tourists.

I think that's wildly optimistic.

We only have to look across the park to see it happening to a far bigger club than both of ours in a 54k seater stadium, with a gargantuan waiting list. They only built a new stand and are already seeing large parts of their ground dominated by day trippers.

It'll be the same for us even if we move into a ground with a lower capacity than 60k and it'll certainly be the case for Spurs.

 

[Davideeyore]

Has anyone listened to the Echo podcast from last Friday? Gavin Buckland first says that we would possibly struggle to fill a 50k, then says we should keep the season ticket numbers down.

Can't be arsed listening to it last time they discussed the stadium a few months back GB was exactly the same exercising his opinion that it should be about 45-50,000 I seem to recall. What?! I'm aghast why he sees this so low.

I can understand the debate we're having but even so. This is Everton Football Club here we're not an untried promoted PL outfit or a team that simply moves to a new ground we have a big support what did John Moores say "a very good crowd". I'm sick of these naysayers who don't see the bigger picture beyond our restricted 39K capacity stadium. No vision. No faith.

We are big club with a huge fan base. Much of that fan base is "untapped".

I said the other day on here if we were to take Goodison right now with the poor season and obstructed views etc but had a 55,000 capacity (as an example) I reckon we'd fill it certainly about 53-54,000 straight off. It's not based on any figures just my opinion. So imagine if we had a 60K plus brand new stadium in a great setting?

Why they are fearful and defeatest I don't know. Do they not want Everton to be the big club again we were once was?

 

[Brownie]

It's all over. It's gone.

 

[Bob Elstone]

Stinks of Elstone incompetentence.

 

[Wizard]

My maths says we'll be getting 9k in the new stadium who aren't ST holders, corporate/premium or away fans, and a lot of that 9k will be sold to members who aren't ST holders. After that there will be very few tickets left on General Sale which tourists can get hold of.

Our average attendance at Wembley has been 68k (the best supported club in Europe).

Yeah, I'm bragging, but my point is I think our two clubs are pretty similar in terms of size. Assume the biggest difference is corporate (sounds like you're looking at 5k for your stadium compared with NWHL's 8k) and the magic number is 59,000. So 55-60k would be where I'd be aiming for, below that and you'll really be putting the squeeze on non-ST members, nevermind worrying about tourists.

Don’t you have a ST waiting list of about 50,000 or something stupid like that? Way more than ours anyway.

Edit: That figure is from when you were at WHL, assume it will have come down a bit now.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

My maths says we'll be getting 9k in the new stadium who aren't ST holders, corporate/premium or away fans, and a lot of that 9k will be sold to members who aren't ST holders. After that there will be very few tickets left on General Sale which tourists can get hold of.

Our average attendance at Wembley has been 68k (the best supported club in Europe).

Yeah, I'm bragging, but my point is I think our two clubs are pretty similar in terms of size. Assume the biggest difference is corporate (sounds like you're looking at 5k for your stadium compared with NWHL's 8k) and the magic number is 59,000. So 55-60k would be where I'd be aiming for, below that and you'll really be putting the squeeze on non-ST members, nevermind worrying about tourists.

Excellent post from an objective, non-biased perspective.

 

[degsy]

I would prefer a statement that outlined simply where we stand.
I just want to know where we stand. We are obviously constricted by budget and that is fine.

Until ALL the finance is signed off you can't make a decision on how many seats...and at what degree of luxury you will be able to afford.

 

[H.H.]

I suspect when Spurs move into their new ground and the design doesn't save their atmosphere from the thousands of selfie-stick and Ipad waving tourists, folks will start to come around to the idea of a lower number than 60k to start with.

Cos Totnam's stadium capacity has been very low for about 20 years the average age of the supporters is probably the oldest there is in the top flight, you put down Totnam's progressive idea of a 62,000 stadium to make it seem better for you that Everton may not get the capacity most on here hope would hope for (but even after writing/biting on your quote, I still hope that you get a stadium that you are all more than happy with.)

 

[H.H.]

Don’t you have a ST waiting list of about 50,000 or something stupid like that? Way more than ours anyway.

Edit: That figure is from when you were at WHL, assume it will have come down a bit now.

Spurs slyly include people who pay around £20 a year to be a member as someone on the S/T waiting list so I would guessing around 50% of the people on the list will want stay as a member only and hope they get lucky with tickets for the amount of games they wanna go to each season?
You were correct, the 50,000 you mentioned (I read 62,000 but who knows?) was before we moved to Wembley, which by the way, everyone I drink with really dislike as you're to far away from the action and can't wait to get back home. Also spare a thought for Chelsea fans who it seems may be spending four years there ?

Spurs also restricted the amount of S/T's sold to around 42,000, around the same amount we will be selling at NWHL.