Philljacobs
Player Valuation: £500k
Cant see the issue with this. If the club does well on the pitch and the demand is there then we will head towards 62k. If not, we wont. Seems pretty logical.
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New Everton Stadium
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MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
Yeah, agree with this. If it's 55k and they add standing to the bottom of the home end like the images at St Lukes then that takes us up to 60ish.
If those images of the seating bowl are still valid the options for expansion of the actual stands looks to be really limited. The two end stands are bookended by UU and Nelson Dock and while there's ample space on the side stands any additional seats would be quite a distance from the pitch (possibly outside the FIFA guidelines also?). Partial overlapping stands like Goodison would help but that approach seems not to be in the design, maybe for cost reasons.
I just hope the actual design is truly unique.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
I thought I would feel better after having a nap but no, if anything I feel worse. I get all the points how it's better to have a 52k at the docks than a 70k elsewhere and certainly better than having the 50k Tesco Express stadium at Kirkby which could have easily happened.
However it is more a question of ambition. Do they think we won't sell the tickets or can we not afford anything more? Well 1) we have discussed before in detail and 2) there are ways of increasing the capacity and saving in other areas.
We should be challenging the architects to give us solutions that deal with these issues to make something that is truly unique and therefore iconic. For instance, regarding capacity, you could have a tier of 16 rows at the top of the main stand (or 2 of 8 on both sides) that can be covered by a material when not in use that we could project images on to make it look fancy AND the material covering could probably be better for rebounding sound back into the stadium than a roof anyhow for an IMPROVED atmosphere. That way we can have a 60k for the big games and then downsize to a 55k for when we do not. It is far cheaper to build first time around than expand later on and on that point, the cost of the above could be covered by reducing the fit and finish of certain stands. So our main and home ends might be done to high quality but the other 2 (and the tiers that can be opened/closed as necessary) are done with bare concrete floors, block walls etc. These can be tarted up in future with minimal fuss when we do have the funds.
People are right it is a wang waving contest, but I would rather my wang was at least in the same ballpark as our rivals instead of a fifth smaller. We had the preeminent stadium of the 20th century, the Old Trafford of it's day, a world cup semi final. Now we would be lucky to get a match in a tournament seeing them lot will have a 60k+ before we even open ours. A great source of pride would be that we would be the first and only club to have held England internationals in 3 different stadia. I just can't see that happening with a MUCH larger albeit crappy stadium on our doorstep.
Spurs who have been worse off compared to us for most of their existence have a motto of "To Dare Is to Do”, they have lived up to that to try and overtake their more illustrious North London rivals. Our best is to try and match the 1990's vision of Newcastle and what Wolves aspire to be. The more people that come through the doors the more money we can make, the better chance we have of keeping up.with the opposition especially if the TV money falls on its arse.
And as a last point, by barely meeting current demand, all this does is allow them to keep increasing prices carte blanche safe in the knowledge there is likely people that will pay extra. This will further price out the low income supporters.
However it is more a question of ambition. Do they think we won't sell the tickets or can we not afford anything more? Well 1) we have discussed before in detail and 2) there are ways of increasing the capacity and saving in other areas.
We should be challenging the architects to give us solutions that deal with these issues to make something that is truly unique and therefore iconic. For instance, regarding capacity, you could have a tier of 16 rows at the top of the main stand (or 2 of 8 on both sides) that can be covered by a material when not in use that we could project images on to make it look fancy AND the material covering could probably be better for rebounding sound back into the stadium than a roof anyhow for an IMPROVED atmosphere. That way we can have a 60k for the big games and then downsize to a 55k for when we do not. It is far cheaper to build first time around than expand later on and on that point, the cost of the above could be covered by reducing the fit and finish of certain stands. So our main and home ends might be done to high quality but the other 2 (and the tiers that can be opened/closed as necessary) are done with bare concrete floors, block walls etc. These can be tarted up in future with minimal fuss when we do have the funds.
People are right it is a wang waving contest, but I would rather my wang was at least in the same ballpark as our rivals instead of a fifth smaller. We had the preeminent stadium of the 20th century, the Old Trafford of it's day, a world cup semi final. Now we would be lucky to get a match in a tournament seeing them lot will have a 60k+ before we even open ours. A great source of pride would be that we would be the first and only club to have held England internationals in 3 different stadia. I just can't see that happening with a MUCH larger albeit crappy stadium on our doorstep.
Spurs who have been worse off compared to us for most of their existence have a motto of "To Dare Is to Do”, they have lived up to that to try and overtake their more illustrious North London rivals. Our best is to try and match the 1990's vision of Newcastle and what Wolves aspire to be. The more people that come through the doors the more money we can make, the better chance we have of keeping up.with the opposition especially if the TV money falls on its arse.
And as a last point, by barely meeting current demand, all this does is allow them to keep increasing prices carte blanche safe in the knowledge there is likely people that will pay extra. This will further price out the low income supporters.
Don't want a ground anything like City or West Ham tbh. Completely soulless
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I completely agree with that sentiment. However the industry has driven the cost of attendance up to make those examples you cite a happy anomoly. The enormous tv revenues and other commercial deals the PL clubs especially get, though, make it a CHOICE to stick to higher ticket prices more generally. The clubs could uniformly decide to peg prices back, but they wont. A football Task Force was set up under New Labour but failed to go with a radical minority report to deal with inflated prices for top flight games. But that's what we need: external intervention to regulate the game. If we dont get that, sure you'll have well meaning examples when clubs cant sell tickets for the full price where hundreds of tickets are sold cheap or given away free, but you wont get a proper structured solution.
On Everton: I suppose the club could look at different price structures if/when safe standing areas come in. It sounds from what's been said that the club are gearing up (if the stadium ever sees the light of day) for a big contribution from that source. If, as they say, two stands are capable of having safe standing that'll increase capacity dramatically.
RobSpurs
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Cincinnati plans are on his website, it's not that.
Anyway, it's not a football stadium, NFL or proper football. Playing area way too narrow!
If I had to have a guess, I'd say it's an ice hockey arena.
e.g.
West Hams stadium is truly awful. I actually met the architect of the re-fit for west ham, and they have lots of chllenges to overcome in turning it into a stadium, but imo its horrible, the temporary stands they take in and out at the start and end of the season are truly awful.
Its interesting looking comparatively at other teams grounds:
1. Manchester United 76,100
2. Arsenal 60,432
3. West Ham United 60,000
4. Manchester City 55,097
5. Liverpool 54,167
6. Newcastle 52.000
7. Chelsea 41,326
8. Everton 40,569
9. Middlesbrough 35,100
10. Southampton 32,689
11. Leicester City 32,500
12 .Tottenham 32,271
13. West Bromwich Albion 26,500
14. Stoke City 28,383
15. Crystal Palace 26,309
16. Hull City 25,404
17. Burnley 22,546
18. Watford 21,977
19. Swansea City 20,972
20. Bournemouth 11,464
Do we really need a stadium bigger then the Eithed and St James Park, ive been to both and in my opinion definitely not.
Its nice to have the option and head room to go up as far as Arsenal if we ever needed to.
1. Manchester United 76,100
2. Arsenal 60,432
3. West Ham United 60,000
4. Manchester City 55,097
5. Liverpool 54,167
6. Newcastle 52.000
7. Chelsea 41,326
8. Everton 40,569
9. Middlesbrough 35,100
10. Southampton 32,689
11. Leicester City 32,500
12 .Tottenham 32,271
13. West Bromwich Albion 26,500
14. Stoke City 28,383
15. Crystal Palace 26,309
16. Hull City 25,404
17. Burnley 22,546
18. Watford 21,977
19. Swansea City 20,972
20. Bournemouth 11,464
Do we really need a stadium bigger then the Eithed and St James Park, ive been to both and in my opinion definitely not.
Its nice to have the option and head room to go up as far as Arsenal if we ever needed to.
OneTrueLegend
Player Valuation: £35m
I filled in the transport survey this morning sent by the club, it sort of focused on midweek games and weekend games seperatly, I'm not a season ticket holder and I won't be when the new stadium opens, I can't afford it. Looking at the current transport facilities, I think midweek games would be out of the question for me unless I left work at about 4pm, the weekend obviously I get more time, but it would be the same as going to Goodison, train to lime Street and then either soccerbus or taxi. The survey seemed to be focused on getting people to the fan zone by the new stadium early. I suggested if they want to do that they should run free buses from the middle of town to the stadium.
I thought they were supposed to be looking at reopening a nearby railway station? I guess that's too expensive?
Don't mention the monorail!
I thought they were supposed to be looking at reopening a nearby railway station? I guess that's too expensive?
Don't mention the monorail!
Think the emphasis is on atmospheric and noisy as hell.
The graphics on the surface (err, ice) clearly indicate that it's been designed with ice hockey in mind.Cincinnati plans are on his website, it's not that.
Anyway, it's not a football stadium, NFL or proper football. Playing area way too narrow!
If I had to have a guess, I'd say it's an ice hockey arena.
e.g.
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £20m
I totally agree with you. Of course when getting a new stadium it's nice to think that we would be getting a stadium that's bigger and better than the rest. However from a more practical point of view I feel that 52000 is probably more or less spot on for where we are now as a club. Then if we reach our potential the 62000 upgrade would cater for that.
As long as we are filling the 52000 and the stadium is the atmospheric brilliant modern stadium we are hoping for then surely we must be happy with that.
I'm not disputing what some say that we could potentially fill a 60000+ stadium, but realistically if we are having a season where we are towards the bottom of the table then there likely would be a lot of empty seats and that just wouldn't be good. So yeah I think having thought about it a bit more I think the club have got it spot on.
RobSpurs
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Sorry, that's not related to the Meis model, it's just a design for a a random ice hockey arena that I posted to point out the similarities to it.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Need to put Spurs in 2nd. 4th and 5th will also jump Arsenal in the very near future.