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New Everton Stadium

Thanks for the post degsy. That should be mandatory reading for any supporter of the club interested in the BMD development.

Tom Hughes knows his stuff. He might want GP redeveloped but he isn't a luddite and would be on board with this if it were logistically and financially possible.
There was/is an artists impression of the waterfront going round that shows all sorts of fancy buildings and apartments...with space where the stadium would go as the 'anchor' of one end.
Peel have already got plans in hand for The Clarence Dock with potential developers.
Can't see that end anchor point next to the sewage works being a selling point for your big ticket development....but for a once a fortnight footy ground, well they can live with it, like it or lump it...good enough for them yahoos.
Edit; could be Peel said, you want waterfront? Its BMD, take it or leave it.
 

As an evertonian from suffolk. Got to say i love my rare weekends on merseyside. But untill bramley moore i never knew it was a WHS. I wonder how many other visitors did

I guess its similar to National Trust properties and areas. Like some people do go out of their way to visit NT places cos they are members and get in free. But most go there cos its nice, or near where they are on holiday, or dont even know its a NT place anyrate.
 
From the well respected, by me anyway, Tom Hughes, via Toffeeweb.

The problem regarding UNESCO is the size and rather arbitrary nature of its WHS boundaries. No-one wants to see fine old buildings lost, but almost all of those on the dock estate have either been preserved, were lost years ago or were of little architectural value anyway.
The last remaining features are the actual bodies of water and quaysides themselves, and there lies the crux of their argument. They're actually advocating the protection of a space. A type of space that is notoriously difficult to develop for anything other than marinas, residential or high rise commercial as the available footprints are often so tight, and the greatest area is given to water. Again, lots of these spaces have already been lost, and indeed most of the original central docks were infilled over 100yrs ago to build the Pier Head and its 3 graces, and the original Customs House long before that, but several more central docks have been filled in the past 30yrs, and as a result the perceived value of these remaining monumental central dock quaysides has been elevated.

BMD is at the periphery of the WHS, next to equally historic docks that now accommodate a sewage plant (A wholly insensitive development in practically every sense that I think just predates the WHS award). At just over 1 mile from the Pier head the site is at the very edge of where the club can derive any real geographic/logistical benefits. Having attended the recent previews, and sat through a presentation where the transport plan consisted of 0.8m walk to Sandhills (as Vauxhall stn isn't happening) or over a mile walk to town, and there will be some shuttlebuses (because private bus companies will see it as a commercial opportunity), it could probably be said that at best there are only limited logistical/transport benefits at this site (if any). Which to be honest, combined with the obvious planning minefield, to me begs the question as to how this site got past the first stage of any selection process in the first place.

The latest costing appears to be in the region of £600m, for just 52k capacity. Expansion to 62k via rail seats is fanciful (imo), would require a change of law, and even then at 1.5:1 ratio, would require 20,000 rail seats (out of 52k). In anycase, Colin Chong indicated that it has been a struggle modelling people movement in and around the site at just 52k, so again is 60k+ realistic?

The club are faced with a £30-40m bill just to preserve those Quaysides by raising them above a flood plain (?). The USM King Canute stadium, on the (broken) banks of the royal blue mersey?

(Key point here IMO)

If the stadium is going to be the redevelopment catalyst for the whole Liverpool waters scheme beyond Waterloo dock, then why didn't we go for the already filled in sections south of Trafalgar Dock, and adjacent to the 10 streets development. Only half a mile from the Pier head, much closer to all transport hubs, faster turnarounds for shuttles and more realistic walking distances. If we're the enabler, why have we plumped for the least convenient, most problematic and expensive site, that might never allow for expansion? In otherwords, there are more issues than just WHS and UNESCO, which we've always known about
I dont think we 'plumped' for BMD, much more likely that's the only piece of land Peel would sell us. Who wants to buy a £500,000 flat with poor transport links right next to a sh1t factory?
 

Love reading the post on this thread from 4am it's where I get the most pertinent developments on the new stadium.
 
There was/is an artists impression of the waterfront going round that shows all sorts of fancy buildings and apartments...with space where the stadium would go as the 'anchor' of one end.
Peel have already got plans in hand for The Clarence Dock with potential developers.
Can't see that end anchor point next to the sewage works being a selling point for your big ticket development....but for a once a fortnight footy ground, well they can live with it, like it or lump it...good enough for them yahoos.
Edit; could be Peel said, you want waterfront? Its BMD, take it or leave it.
...and as Tom Hughes speculated, it could be that the club at that stage felt the CWG was in play and the stadium would be built with a large dollop of public cash.

I sincerely hope he isn't right when he further speculates that the club are in some zombie motion shuffling on with a plan that's now not in play for that particular site.

We've seen this club's hierarchy fail time and again with a "it'll get done by someone" approach with no plan B.
 
There are quite a few think it pie in the sky and some sort of con by the club. I'll make a deal with any single naysayer, If it fails to be approved within the next 12/18 months I will donate £200 to the charity of your choice, conversely when building begins you donate £100 to the charity of my choice.
 
There are quite a few think it pie in the sky and some sort of con by the club. I'll make a deal with any single naysayer, If it fails to be approved within the next 12/18 months I will donate £200 to the charity of your choice, conversely when building begins you donate £100 to the charity of my choice.
@davek, are you up for this?
 

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