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New Everton Stadium
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sharkey1001
Player Valuation: £10m
Where exactly will big Alisher dock his yacht?
Nah Yoda would say " funding announced soon will be"
Dave you know full well there was no funding in place for Kirkby, it was all a lie for Tesco's benefit.
Kirkby dome was rightly called in and we were never going to get it funded with penniless owners behind us. Before that we had the Kings Dock fiasco, if I remember wasn't that funding in place and ringfenced, chortle, cough, cough.
Tell me the charlatan behind them moves, yes its Bill and this time he has nothing to do with funding.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
People still getting suckered in to Dave’s anti stadium stance, face it guys he’ll stick to it till the bitter end
Disgruntledgoat
Player Valuation: £50m
I hope he sticks with it beyond it's actual opening.
If I knew the best way to get a free lass was to complain I'd have been doing it for ages as well!
Only joking @davek
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
Oh he will, the stance will change though to counting down the days till it/the club collapses
I do understand your pessimism about it but as I said earlier, if this was solely Kenwright and Co I'd share your view. I just think this all feels different with Moshiri. The amount of money spent on the consultations and planning up to now just be millions. Appointing Dan Meis and Chong, not sure they are the types to become involved in pie in the sky projects either.
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
TBF Dave, I haven't been pulled into anything. I have made decisions based upon information that I have had available to me. I wasn't keen on any of the other schemes, and never really expected them to go ahead in all honesty, certainly not with the same belief as I do with this one. KD, not really educated enough on that project, Bestway site always felt like a logistical nightmare, DK, once Evertonians turned against that on the level they did, it was always doomed. Even the construction company they were looking to use on DK looked like a red flag to me and, Walton park wouldn't have solved any problems, but that's by the by. This whole Stadium saga has been very professionally run and I believe it will continue to be done so. There have been mistakes and set backs, but every single project of this size on planet earth will face challenges. It is also a fairly unique instance for many blues out there, where they feel a need to be involved in every section of the process (and everybody is perfectly entitled to do that) but a watched kettle never boils. The public are rarely aware of projects this scale until much further along in the process than when most became aware of this one. I personally have been involved in past projects for 4-5 years before even the intention of them has become public, some of them have failed prior to it ever becoming public, some have not. Of the ones that have failed, I see no correlation between those and this although, granted, many were vastly different projects with different drivers and funding models.
In short, I do respect that you have concerns and that those concerns are born from experience of Everton and their history of ground moves. I have history of ground moves also, not all of Everton, not all even in this country, not all have happened, but I'm not seeing anything with this project that would cause me undue concern. Nobody has to listen to me, but they are my thoughts.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
There are conservation bodies queuing up here. And dont rule out politicking between the City Region and LCC.
In any case, funding isn't there. It's a massive uphill battle and the club aren't relaying that fact.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
He'll claim it's a hologram.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Well it's at least good to know that you personally have your eyes wide open on this scheme.
I take your point about the length of the process and that there wont be any short-cut, time-wise.
However, I must say to you that those other projects you mention you've been involved in are different to this one in one important respect: they either get built or they dont; there's a pay off or there's wasted finances finding out that they wont fly. Zero sum game. But with Everton and their stadium scheme's there's one other factor involved: it isn't a zero sum game, because the very act of setting in motion a 3/4/5 year scheme is a political act in that, even if the stadium scheme goes west, it can provide a service to the owners of the club who in that period of time will be handed a wide berth in terms of their own personal impact on the club as a competitive force. Let's call it a virtuous spin-off.
If the club have spent out cash on land at this point and professional consultancy fees, it'll have been money well spent as far as the owner is concerned. Just look how much this regime and previous ownership regimes have gotten away with over the last 10-15 years.
Experience tells me that this BMD scheme is a classic Everton ownership stunt. Are they serious about it? Yes. But only if they get the stadium paid for and built with other people's cash. It's a methodology that's led to failure after failure and it will do so again.
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I do have the concern that we wouldn't have had so many consultations if funding was in place. Not that I'm against the way the club have gone about getting public approval, it just seems more like a time-filling filling exercise above all else. Hope to be wrong of course.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The land was donated by KBC; Tesco were getting Barr to build the stadium (I know); Everton were committed to finding £80M from sale of Goodison; Bellefield; naming rights etc.
They had PP and they had a financial plan that a LA and major retailer stood behind. What has BMD secured? F.A.